Barry Amundsen (9 Mar 2014)
"Thank you Pastor Bob, "Don't write off a pre trib rapture"."

Thank you, Pastor Bob!

I'd like to add to what Pastor Bob has said in defense of our blessed hope of escaping ALL these things.

Titus 2:
12.  Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
 13.  Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
 14.  Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
 15.  These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Rebuke with all authority! Rebuke what? Any that despise us for this blessed hope!

Luke 21:
 35.  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
 36.  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I heard the late J. R. Church saying that he didn't consider the pre-trib rapture an escape and I can't really remember what point he was trying to make but Jesus certainly considered it an escape, and I'll stick with His view.

Jesus said that one of the remarkable (because He remarked on it) traits of the Philadelphia Church, (the one He promised to keep from the hour of temptation that will come on all the world to try them which dwell upon the earth) is that they have little strength. I once was challenged by a self proclaimed Bible/end times expert for my bold belief that I am a member in good standing of this Philadelphia church. He asked me how I knew... Well, let's compare my symptoms with what Jesus described the Philadelphia church to look like:

A. for thou hast a little strength, (Check)
B. and hast kept my word, (Check)
C. and hast not denied my name. (Check)
D. I have loved thee. (Check)
E. thou hast kept the word of my patience (Check)

Hey, I'm batting a thousand! Furthermore, I do not see myself described at all in any of the other churches.

(By the way, that's Jesus patience (endurance) that I keep the word of. He endured the cross and such contradiction of sinners against Himself and I keep the word of that. Modern translations all ruin that by turning it around and focusing on you as if your patience or endurance buys you anything. There are a lot of patient Muslims, Hindus, Mormons etc., etc. Mere patience doesn't mean anything by itself. It's keeping the word of HIS endurance on our behalf that He rewards with a ticket out of here. Because He knows that it is going to take faith to hang on to our blessed hope in the face of naysayers such as the one that Pastor Bob is referring to on that web site that denies the pre-trib rapture.)

I met the man who runs that site and because he lives near me, I agreed to meet him and instead of a restaurant, my wife offered to have him over for dinner. We thought at that time that he was a "pre-tribber" "blessed hope" guy like us, (having found each other through the 5 Doves site) but almost immediately upon meeting him at our house he begins to challenge us and our belief and trying to persuade us that we are wrong. I let him speak and then offered to give him the reasons why I am pre-trib. He listened and he was not able to refute any of my reasons but only suggested that I watch a DVD presentation which he left with me.

I would like to say for those of you still reading and therefore interested in this, I have noticed a consistent phenomenon surrounding issues of debate in spiritual things. It is the demonstration of what Jesus described as the Father hiding things from the "wise" and "prudent" while revealing them to "babes". Whether we are discussing the rapture or a controversial book like "The Shack" it is the same: Babes get it while "wise" and "prudent" do not. This is the Father's doing.

I reluctantly accepted the offer to borrow the DVD from this person through much insistence but in all honesty, I did not get very far into watching it because I could see right away where the young man on it was coming from and knew therefore what his conclusions would be and that they are wholly in error. The DVD is by Tim Cohen, "Messiah, History, and the Tribulation Period 2005 Prophecy Conference". Tim Cohen is also the "Antichrist and a Cup of Tea" guy. Right from the start the DVD rests all of what is to follow on the enormity of the scholarly work done by this individual. We are asked to believe what we are to hear because this guy has done his homework and has figured it all out for us. Though the DVD description claims he was "Called by God in 1987 to be 'Him who has understanding' ..." never once does he credit the Holy Spirit with revelation knowledge the way that Jesus told us God teaches by leading us into all truth, but rather this man has studied and by his advanced abilities has uncovered word meanings and using "hermeneutics" has "proven" that his way is right.

One thing that these sort have in common is the negative way that they attack the opposing view. for example, here is a quote off the back of the DVD cover:

"False 'Christian' teachers and 'Christian' prophets everywhere take heed: Tim is gunning for your lies, and his aim is lethal!..."  

The opposite of this hard edged, sense driven approach to understanding is the inner witness of the still small voice of the Holy Spirit who testifies with our spirit and appeals to us and leads us into all truth as we submit to Him.

Again, for any who would be interested, I can share, in a later post what I shared with this individual, as to why I hold to a pre-trib rapture hope. It is not through "much study" but rather the faithful revealing to me of a loving Father, as a result of my asking, seeking, knocking, and using His word to give me confidence in His faithfulness to His own word, He has led me into numerous and profound reasons why I KNOW there will be a pre-trib rapture for some of God's people and I am ready to go.

God is faithful and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. What about them which are not looking for Him? His coming will be like a snare and they will have men like Tim Cohen and his expertise to thank for their fate.

Don't trust men. Ask God to reveal to you directly the truth of this. It is too important. Ephesians 4:  14.  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive... I cannot think of a better way to accurately describe what men like Tim Cohen have wrought.

I stand by my position in accord with and obedience to the above scripture admonishing us  15.  These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.