"P.S.
Since you have already made your position
known, I'll spare you the time and trouble
of preparing a response; you don't need to
respond. I just felt the readers to this
question needed to hear the other side of
the story."
MY RESPONSE: I
don't consider it a waste of time nor trouble
in preparing a response in order to bring
clarity to Bible verses misunderstood by other
people.
You also
stated the following:
Job
38:7 - "When the
morning stars sang together and all
the sons of God shouted for joy?"
Some
try to claim that the "sons of God" in
Job 38:7 were angels.
However, since angels have never
been called "sons of God" and
never
will be, then what God said
to Jeremiah in Chapter 1 vs. 5, means
we
existed with God before coming to
Earth. God foreknew
us before Creation. By
coming to Earth we inherited Adam's
sin seed, so we have had to receive
Jesus blood for salvation to be
restored as the "sons of God."
This would explain why numerous people
have claimed that before they came to
Earth God let them pick who would be
their parents.
Jeremiah 1:5 says, "Before I
formed thee in
the belly I
knew thee; and
before thou
camest forth out
of the womb I
sanctified thee, and I
ordained thee a
prophet unto
the nations." God knows the end
from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10) and has
knowledge of who will be born even before they
are born, and He had a plan for Jeremiah's
life before he was conceived. No
where in the Bible does it say that we
believers called the sons of God, who
would be saved in the future, ever existed
with God before being born on Earth.
If that fact was true, where were the unsaved
people at the beginning of creation who would
be born in the future if the saved people were
already with God before creation? And just
because you say numerous people claimed that
before they came to Earth that God let them
pick who would be their parents doesn't mean
that God actually talked to them. It is
hearsay evidence. For all we know it could
have been a demon spirit or fallen angel
disguised as God talking to them. I am also
sure that there a number of people who would
have picked different parents if they had
known what their parents would actually be
like and if they could have chosen who their
parents would be.
You also
stated the following:
"The Jewish Talmud says the
"sons of God" were the remaining righteous
sons of Adam after he died who went down
into the valley where murderous Cain and
his descendants lived, who saw his
daughters were beautiful and ended up
intermarrying with them, against Adam's
wishes. I suspect that is why the
children born from that mix were
"reknown," since they were descended from
the last of Adam's initial family."
Please show us the actual verses
in the Jewish Talmud that states the above
facts word for word. Also consider the fact
that the sons of God can't be what you claim
the Talmud said about Genesis 6:1-4 and at
the same time be saved people who would be
born in the future who existed with God
before creation in Job 38:7 which you also
said.
Adam was also called the son of
God in Luke 3:38, but he wasn't one of the
sons of God in Job 38:7 who were with God
before the creation of the Earth. However,
Adam was called the son of God because God
created him just like the angels who were
also called the sons of God because God
created them. Humans likewise call
those whom we procreate our sons and
daughters. Also the sons of God in Genesis
6:1-4 who went into women who bare children
(giants) to them were angels which is
confirmed by the book of Enoch in chapters
6, 7, 9, 10, 12 & 15. The Book of Enoch Online and
in the book of Jubilees chapter 5 Book of Jubilees: The
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The
sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 and Job 1:6,
2:1 & 38:7 who were in the presence of
God were called Ben Elohim in Hebrew (the
sons of God). The meaning didn't
change from them being angels in Genesis
6:1-6 to them being we saved believers in
the future with God before creation in Job
38:7, and none of the male saved believers
of the future went into the daughters of
men and procreated the giants back in
Genesis 6:1-4. The meaning of the sons of
God remained the same throughout the Old
Testament.
You
also stated the following:
"A Jewish scholar pointed
out that in Genesis 6:4 it says the
giants were already here before the sons of God
came: "There were giants
in the earth in those
days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came..." This means the sons
of God did
not create the giants."
I already explained verse
Genesis 6:4 in my 7/01 post WHEN WERE
THE GIANTS BORN BEFORE & AFTER THE
FLOOD? that the sons of God
in those days came down on Mt.
Hermon in the days of Jared, who was
Enoch's father, and procreated the giants
with the daughters of men, and the
giants also after that were those
on Earth after the great flood. Jared was
the great, great grandfather of Noah, and
Enoch was Noah's great grandfather. So the
giants weren't on the Earth before the
sons of God came to Earth. The sons of God
came down on Mt. Hermon before the giants
were procreated by them and the daughters
of men.
You
also stated:
"The Bible
says that the angels are "ministering
spirits" who minister to the
*heirs of salvation (*sons of
God) but are not
heirs (themselves). So the angels can't be
both.
Hebrews 1:14, "Are they (angels) not all
ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for
them who shall be heirs of
salvation?" The heirs of salvation
are humans who need salvation due to
being a descendant of Adam's sin
seed. This leaves out the angels
entirely. They are only
ministering spirits and God's
messengers."
The
angels were created as ministering spirits,
sent forth to minister for them who shall be
heirs of salvation. However, the 200 fallen
angels chained up in the abyss and the rest
of the 1/3 of the angels that are fallen
angels including Satan are not ministering
to the heirs of salvation. We saved
believers are wrestling against them
according to Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of
the darkness of
this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."