Kari (10 Jan 2012)
"RE: John B's and Matt M's post for 1/9"


 

From John B:
"Re: Susan B......Obama head wound"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/johnb19-2.htm

 

"If you read Revelation 13 and 17 you'll find that there is no scripture verses that say the anti Christ (the first beast) has a head wound and recovers from said wound. This is a misnomer that someone voiced and now it has become the "deceived" accepted norm...... but it is untrue."

 

The head says it's relative or figurative, so yes in essence it could be in another localle of the body, but it's a deadly wound nonetheless.

Rev 13:3

3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

&

 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

&

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 

"I wish everyone on the planet would read and understand these verses so that the majority of people would not be looking for a world leader to be shot in the head. For the king has already received a mortal wound and recovered as per scripture."

 

The wound kills him, it says as such:

 

3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;

G5613 (as it were)

ὡς

hōs

hoce

Probably adverb of compound from G3739; which how, that is, in that manner (very variously used as shown): - about, after (that), (according) as (it had been, it were), as soon (as), even as (like), for, how (greatly), like (as, unto), since, so (that), that, to wit, unto, when ([-soever]), while, X with all speed.

 

If you are speaking of John Paul II he did not die and recover, and there was no one who breathed life (a pneuma: spirit) into him to do so.  This has to be done within a 70th week (7 yr time frame), and within that frame 'he' has 1260/42 months days of being in power, it does not work with your theory for he has been dead almost 7 years. 

 

From and including: Saturday, April 2, 2005
To and including: Monday, January 9, 2012

It is 2474 days from the start date to the end date, end date included

Or 6 years, 9 months, 8 days including the end date

 

Matt M (9 Jan 2012)
"God bless you Doves I have a message"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/mattm19.htm

Doves,
 
I feel sad today after reading some posts ( not on five doves but many sites ) some people bring in damnable beliefs, deny the Bible. Some people even say no temple in Jerusalem, its like they say .. yeah the Bible says but you listen to me ok. ... its from Satan ! The Bible says there WILL be a temple in Jerusalem and the Bible is true even when false prophets lie to us. I feel in my Spirit this is from Satan. The Bible says there will be a temple build in Israel. Anyone who tells you do not listen to Bible but listen to their teachings ... WATCH out ... its an Alarm bell so to say...
 
in Christ,
 
Matt

 

Matt,

I too like you had the same beliefs about a temple being in Jerusalem in place for the culmination of Bible prophecy to happen.  But if you look @ what sayeth Scriptures; what does it say?  Please use some verses so we can discuss.  I see in Rev 11 John is told to get a reed to measure the believers, nothing about the width and breadth of a literal temple.  Jesus said we are the temple.  He's measuring the temple (us) &

altar

G2379

θυσιαστήριον

thusiastērion

thoo-see-as-tay'-ree-on

From a derivative of G2378; a place of sacrifice, that is, an altar (specifically or generally, literally or figuratively): - altar.


 

G2378

θυσία

thusia

thoo-see'-ah

From G2380; sacrifice (the act or the victim, literally or figuratively): - sacrifice.

 

and them that worship therein:

 

worship: G4352

προσκυνέω

proskuneō

pros-koo-neh'-o

From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship.

v2 he's specially told not to measure the outer court, there is no one to be included for those in the outer court, He has no relationship with those who refuse to come in and have a relationship with Him (It brings this verse to my mind: depart from me, I never knew you)

 

You have to ask yourself the question, why is he told to measure the temple and the worshippers therein?  Because it is US that is being measured.  Remember Belshazzar?  You've been weighed and found wanting. A plumbline is also mentioned in Zech 2 within the same time frame, there will be measuring done then the glory of God is mentioned as well as a wall of fire.  It also says He is coming to dwell/tabernacle/live amongst you.  God bless you in your understanding as you seek Him first.

 

Kari