Clay Cantrell: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/clay28.htm

"Pineman, in his post here: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/pineman27.htm makes interesting points about what he considers the "non-sequitur" of Ron Reese, i.e. Obama is the 11th king. unfortunately, this take on it, though seemingly logical, is also faulty because it is based on the indefensible position that the North American Union is one of the 10. Today, the identity of the 10 is unknown. thus, one theory can't be used to debunk another theory. this is in no way a defense of Ron Reese's (and other's) position that Obama is the 11th king, the AC, which I do not agree with. at all."

Cutting Edge: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2363.cfm

"Before our very eyes, a new government is being erected; this plan, originally published in 1974 in "Mankind At The Turning Point", is being implemented. And when it is finally implemented, it will fulfill this Biblical prophecy of 10 Nations at the End of the Age."

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Dear Clay & Fellow Watchers:

Please study the above documentation from Cutting Edge in order to get a clearer understanding. My position is highly defensible if one practices due diligence.

It was a good try at critical thinking without having a critical spirit, Clay.

Pineman