Donna Danna (18 Feb 2011)
"REPLY TO MERCER: Does The Bride Of Christ Only Have Gold Crowns?"



In reply to your 2/17 post called John B (16 Feb 2011) -I will answer each of your questions  at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/mercer217-2.htm  you stated that the saints seen under the altar who are given white robes in Rev. 4:9 are not given crowns, and only the Bride of Christ are given crowns.  And you backed that statement up by having us believe from your post that the 24 elders dressed in white raiment wearing gold crowns are the Bride of Christ so you believe only they have gold crowns.
 
Did you ever think of the possibility that the souls under the altar who are given white robes who aren't given crowns yet, and who are also waiting for their brethren to be killed as they were killed, were not given their crowns yet just like the great multitude arriving in heaven aren't wearing crowns because they all have to appear before the judgment seat of Christ, and they wouldn't immediately receive a crown whether they were a resurrected saint or an alive saint that never died who arrived in heaven as part of the great multitude, but they would be rewarded with a crown after they are judged.
 
I have never seen a Bible verse that states only the Bride of Christ are given crowns, and that there is a time limit on them of a believer having to be a Pre-tribulation saint to receive a crown.  The Bible also doesn't say that you have to be a tribulation saint, or a great-tribulation saint either in order to receive a crown though you would need to be a pre-wrath saint since the Lord saves all of his saints from the wrath to come and they are rewarded by the time the wrath of God falls on Earth because after the 2nd woe has taken place in Revelation 11:4,  Revelation 11:14 says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."  So if any crowns are to be given out as a reward, they would have to be given out at this time to the saints who haven't yet been rewarded.  Although the book of Revelation never shows any of the great multitude of saints being given crowns, the Lord Jesus in Rev. 2:10 did say, "..be faithful unto death and I will give the a crown of life."  So regardless of whether a saint was faithful unto death as a martyr or faithful unto death and died from natural causes, as long as he remains faithful unto death, he will receive the crown of life.  James 1:12 also says, "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him."
So the crown of life just doesn't go to those saints who are martyred and who remain faithful unto death.   2 Timothy 4:8 says, "Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."  No where in the Bible does it say that just the Bride of Christ as a Pre-tribulation saint are the only believers that are given crowns, and if it turns out that the 24 elders in white raiment wearing golden crowns are not the Bride of Christ, then all the saints would be given crowns when rewards are given out to all the saints in Revelation 11:14 before the great wrath of God and the 7 vials of wrath are poured out onto the Earth.
 
Also the wife of the Lamb in Rev. 19:7-9 is "arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints" which is what the armies in heaven upon white horses following the Lord Jesus down to Earth are wearing according to Rev. 19:14. Please note that it doesn't say pre-tribulation saints only are wearing the fine linen, clean and white nor does it say that they are wearing gold crowns on their heads although the Lord Jesus is seen wearing many crowns (Rev. 19:12).  All the saints are with him according to Zechariah 14:5 including the great multitude in Rev. 7:14 "which came out of great tribulation and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."  So they too have repented of their sins and asked forgiveness for them.  In regard to Rev. 7:14, you made the statement "They died/sacrificed themselves therefore the blood on robes". According to 1 John 1:7, "...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin," and according to 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to give us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" so it is the blood of Jesus Christ on their robes which made them white and clean because they repented of their sins and asked the Lord forgiveness for them.  You are perhaps referring to the blood on their physical robes that covered their physical bodies, but I am referring to their spiritual robes now white and clean that had been stained by sin that they washed in the blood of the Lamb when they repented of their sins and asked the Lord forgiveness for them.