Donna
Danna (18 Feb 2011)
"REPLY TO MERCER: Does The Bride Of Christ Only Have Gold Crowns?"
In reply to your 2/17 post called John B (16 Feb 2011) -I will answer each of your questions at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/mercer217-2.htm
you stated that the saints seen under the altar who are given white
robes in Rev. 4:9 are not given crowns, and only the Bride of Christ
are given crowns. And you backed that statement up by having us
believe from your post that the 24 elders dressed in white raiment
wearing gold crowns are the Bride of Christ so you believe only they
have gold crowns.
Did you ever think of the possibility that the souls under the altar
who are given white robes who aren't given crowns yet, and who are also
waiting for their brethren to be killed as they were killed, were not
given their crowns yet just like the great multitude arriving in heaven
aren't wearing crowns because they all have to appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, and they wouldn't immediately receive a crown
whether they were a resurrected saint or an alive saint that never died
who arrived in heaven as part of the great multitude, but they would be
rewarded with a crown after they are judged.
I have never seen a Bible verse that states only the Bride of Christ
are given crowns, and that there is a time limit on them of a believer
having to be a Pre-tribulation saint to receive a crown. The
Bible also doesn't say that you have to be a tribulation saint, or a
great-tribulation saint either in order to receive a crown though you
would need to be a pre-wrath saint since the Lord saves all of his
saints from the wrath to come and they are rewarded by the time the
wrath of God falls on Earth because after the 2nd woe has taken place
in Revelation 11:4, Revelation 11:14 says, "And the nations were
angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they
should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants
the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and
great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." So if
any crowns are to be given out as a reward, they would have to be given
out at this time to the saints who haven't yet been rewarded.
Although the book of Revelation never shows any of the great multitude
of saints being given crowns, the Lord Jesus in Rev. 2:10 did say,
"..be faithful unto death and I will give the a crown of life."
So regardless of whether a saint was faithful unto death as a martyr or
faithful unto death and died from natural causes, as long as he remains
faithful unto death, he will receive the crown of life. James
1:12 also says, "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when
he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord
promised to them that love him."
So the crown of life just doesn't go to those saints who are martyred
and who remain faithful unto death. 2 Timothy 4:8 says,
"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness which the
Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me
only, but unto all them also that love his appearing." No where
in the Bible does it say that just the Bride of Christ as a
Pre-tribulation saint are the only believers that are given crowns, and
if it turns out that the 24 elders in white raiment wearing golden
crowns are not the Bride of Christ, then all the saints would be given
crowns when rewards are given out to all the saints in Revelation 11:14
before the great wrath of God and the 7 vials of wrath are poured out
onto the Earth.
Also the wife of the Lamb in Rev. 19:7-9 is "arrayed in fine linen,
clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints"
which is what the armies in heaven upon white horses following the Lord
Jesus down to Earth are wearing according to Rev. 19:14. Please note
that it doesn't say pre-tribulation saints only are wearing the fine
linen, clean and white nor does it say that they are wearing gold
crowns on their heads although the Lord Jesus is seen wearing many
crowns (Rev. 19:12). All the saints are with him according to
Zechariah 14:5 including the great multitude in Rev. 7:14 "which came
out of great tribulation and have washed their robes, and made them
white in the blood of the Lamb." So they too have repented of
their sins and asked forgiveness for them. In regard to Rev.
7:14, you made the statement "They died/sacrificed themselves therefore
the blood on robes". According to 1 John 1:7, "...the blood of Jesus
Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin," and according to 1 John 1:9,
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to give us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" so it is the blood of Jesus
Christ on their robes which made them white and clean because they
repented of their sins and asked the Lord forgiveness for them.
You are perhaps referring to the blood on their physical robes that
covered their physical bodies, but I am referring to their spiritual
robes now white and clean that had been stained by sin that they washed
in the blood of the Lamb when they repented of their sins and asked the
Lord forgiveness for them.