Mercer (7 Dec 2011)
"Barry RE: The Rapture"

 
Barry you posted:
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/barrya126.htm

You wrote
Another big clue that seems to be ignored by the popular view is what the angel said at Jesus' ascension that when Jesus comes back for us, that He "would so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven".BARRY, THIS IS THE SECOND COMING AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION NOT THE RAPTURE. JESUS COMES TWICE!! 1.WE GO UP HE MEETS US IN THE AIR-The Rapture. And what that is is a changing of our bodies into incorruptable and we are instantly in another demension the Third heaven. So how did Jesus go into heaven? Were the disciples standing there talking to Jesus and suddenly and without warning He vanished into thin air and left them wondering where He went?
 
Barry wrote: "But I think it is a huge clue that Jesus tells us when you see certain things begin to come to pass THEN stand and look up your redemption draws nigh. And then we can expect to see Jesus literally float back down from the clouds and be seen up in the sky coming back for us. Or else the Angel could not have said that."
Barry you are referring here to Matthew 24. Jesus is speaking to the Jews here not the church.

Matthew 24

 1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Fufilled in 70AD and the Jews were scattered until 1948

 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Barry note they are looking for His second coming (not the rapture)

 4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:Barry, we are seeing this right now in the middle east see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.End = End of Gentile rule and now the 1,000 year reign of Christ 

 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Barry, these are the 7 seals being broken http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+6&version=KJV

 8All these are the beginning of sorrows. Or know as the Time of Jacobs troubles.......the middle of the Tribulatiom

 9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.( Rev12:13

 13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. )

 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. )

 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 25Behold, I have told you before.

 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Barry this is what the angels were referring to in Acts. He's coming back in the "clouds" Just as he left in the "clouds. This is where the Bride comes back with him "in the clouds"

 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect( Elect = Jews..this is not the rapture) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. ( This does not pertain to the rapture as many believe, this refers to the second coming)

 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (This is refering to the Sheep and Goats Judgement, not the rapture)

 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

 47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

 49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

 


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