And waddle alongside ducks- but, insist they are not ducks. Yes, lots of them out there. I very recently started reading a book by a famous theologian recommended by my pastor. The first paragraph said: "Christian theology teaches the doctrine of ________ grace, which briefly stated, means this: "that before a man can seek God, God must first have sought the man." Which to my mind, is the TULIP of Calvinism. However, the author (inho) strains at a gnat and swallows a camel not to say so! After reading the first chapter I put the book down and briefly talked to my pastor this Sunday. He insisted that NO it was not Calvinism. But imho, it does have duck feathers! Anyway, I am not reading it further. I have more important things to do than fuss my brain; or what little of it that is still left :)>. And "beware of ducks bringing gifts" > (quote fm the Illiad) Maranatha, Lewis B