Gino (13 Oct 2024)
"dual fulfillment?"


(Since there is another mentioning of Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:)

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
  8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
  9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Is it possible the prophecy given to Ezekiel in chapters 38 and 39, could have some dual fulfillment, i.e. two battles?
Could some things in those chapters prophesy of things that will happen before the second advent, some after the thousand year kingdom, and some for both times?
For example, Israel at rest, dwelling safely, a land of unwalled villages.
If this is to be before the second advent, then it certainly isn't in the immediate future, a lot would need to change and happen before this to be the case:)

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
  11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
  12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

(But if the second advent is still a number of years off, then there would be time for these things to turn out that way.
However, after the second advent, in the kingdom, that is exactly how Israel will be, for a thousand years.
They will be living more safely and prosperously than they ever had been.
That way, those lines in Ezekiel could be describing the latter Gog-Magog battle, also described in Revelation 20.)

(Another is the description of the invading force:)

Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
  15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

(There are a possibly a few explanations for this:
1. These two lines could be more descriptive of the latter Gog-Magog war, after the thousand year kingdom, if there are no combustion engines in the kingdom.
2. Or after EMPs, and possibly nuclear weapons, in our days, a dystopian time might only support an army on horseback.
3. Or Ezekiel couldn't describe tanks, drones, jets, machine guns, etc., so he used only language familiar to him. )

(Weapons burning, and bodies buried, won't be necessary after the kingdom, when the 1st earth will pass away, but will be related to the earlier Gog-Magog battle.)

(Then how the armies come:)

Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

(This can happen in our time with a massive air assault, planes jets, drones, and missiles.
But it also possibly can be at the latter battle, as well:)

Revelation 20:9a And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about,

(Then for the earlier battle, there are things that Ezekiel mentions, that some consider to describe the situation before the blessed hope.
And for some, they believe that it is a description of shortly after the blessed hope, and for some shortly before the abomination of desolation.
Then many believe that it is a battle scene simultaneous with all the other battles scenes describing the time of the second advent.
That debate on the timing, is hotly contested, not unlike the debate about which day of the week Jesus was crucified on, or which year he was born in.)

(However, information that is not clearly provable, though interesting, is like how I used to mention to students in science classes.
Where, after giving my opinion about something not proven, I would tell them, that the information and a few dollars could get them a cup of coffee.)

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