Hello John and Doves,

 

In looking at this whole mess in the Middle East, I'm going to step back in time and look at  BIG important meetings - all involving the dividing of Israel and dividing Jerusalem.  And they all involve Saudi Arabia - the leader of the Arab and Islamic world.  The dates of these meetings are significant in relation to the Hamas attack October 7.

 

1) The first meeting is the U.N. SDG Summit on Sept 18 - 19 with the added "Peace Day Effort for Middle East Peace" - co-hosted by Saudi Arabia.   And attended by the Arab League, Jordan, Egypt, the EU, and Guterres of the U.N. to "revamp" the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.  Israel and the PLO were not included in this meeting.  This meeting was added at the last minute according to the media reports.

HUUUUUUUGE NEWS!!!! – THEY JUST ADDED ISRAEL PEACE PLAN TO THE UN SDG SUMMIT!!!!! SEPTEMBER 18th – The Blogging Hounds

 

This meeting was "based on the urgent need to preserve the Two-State Solution ensuring a viable sovereign independent and contiguous Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 lines; respect for international law, including international humanitarian law and human rights; respect for and full implementation of UN Security Council Resolutions related to the Palestinian question, most recently UNSCR 2334..."  They want the boundaries in place from before the 67 year war, that includes East Jerusalem to be for Palestine...."The alternative is further deterioration that will threaten regional and international security."

 

The Arabs want "full withdrawal from all Palestinian and Arab territories occupied since 1967 in exchange of full normilization."  This was supported by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and welcomed by the European Union and the United Nations.

 

And they created a "Peace Supporting Package".  "This package is to be rolled out immediately after "Peace Day", when the parties reach a peace agreement on the basis of the Two-State Solution.  Such a wide-ranging package will help sustain the peace, and will produce peace dividends for all."

MEPP: The European Union, Saudi Arabia, the Arab League, in cooperation with Egypt and Jordan, launch the Peace Day Effort for Middle East Peace, and invite the world to join | EEAS

 

2) The second meeting (or set of meetings) is the "normalization" meetings between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia started in May of this year.  The hope was to make a 'historic' peace between Saudi Arabia (SA) and Israel.  Israel was not included in these talks. This has been a push by the Biden administration - This would be advantageous to the U.S - especially with weapons deals and military security.  The thought was this could bring peace between the Palestinians and Israelis also - pushing along the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.  SA has never recognized Israel as a nation. SA's plan from the get go was a state of Palestine using Israeli land and dividing Jerusalem to give half to the Palestinians.  Netanyahu wanted peace with the Saudis but downplayed the importance of a two-state solution that the Saudis wanted; he hoped he could 'work' with them. 

 

 Israel was "cautiously optimistic" about dealing with the Saudis- who have NEVER recognized Israel as a nation.  Israel was not allowed in the Washington/Saudi meetings - they only got info from the Biden administration - to keep Israel "in the loop".
Israel on the cusp of historic peace with Saudi Arabia, Netanyahu announces at UN | UN News

 

Then this was reported September 17, 2023 - right before the SDG Peace meeting:  Saudi Arabia "has told the Biden administration it is freezing US-brokered efforts to normalize relations with Israel because Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's hardline government is unwilling to make any concessions to the Palestinians."  "Last month, Netanyahu indicated that he was open to gestures to Palestinians if a normalization deal with Saudi Arabia depended on it, and hinted that he would not let coalition members block an agreement."  Netanyahu's far-right coalition partners "have ruled out any compromise with the Palestinians."  They said, "We will not make any concessions to the Palestinians.  It's a fiction."  The deal with Saudi Arabia was not suppose to have anything to do with Judea and Samaria (the West Bank).

 

"However, in recent weeks the Saudis have stepped up their engagement with Palestinians."
Israel denies report Saudis suspending normalization talks over Palestinian issue | The Times of Israel

 

"..the US informed Israel of the Saudi stance.  It said that Israel was "confused" by the move believing that the Saudis were prepared to move ahead with normalizing ties without linking it to the progress on the Palestinian issue.
Israel denies report Saudis suspending normalization talks over Palestinian issue | The Times of Israel

 

Why would Saudi Arabia et al go behind Biden and Israel's back and go to the U.N. for a meeting with the Arab League, Jordan, Egypt and the EU to discuss the Palestinian issue if they were in the middle of normalizing relations with Israel via the U.S.?  Saudi Arabia considers the U.S. insignificant in this whole thing.  The SDG Peace Meeting made sure any 'normalizaiton' with Israel meant full withdrawal from all Palestinian and Arab territories occupied since 1967.  And it sure looks like Saudi Arabia knew something was going to push Israel into this "normalization" agreement.

 

This SDG Peace Day event was aimed at revamping/reinvigorating the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.  Israel was NOT invited.  Neither was Abbas.  The reason they weren't invited is because the meeting is "focused on congregating important global stakeholders on the issue in order to "reinvigorate" the peace process." 

 

3)  And here is the third big meeting: 
"Last week, Riyadh (Saudi Arabia/SA) hosted a Palestinian Authority delegation to discuss how to leverage a normalization deal to advance the Palestinian cause." Saudis co-hosting UN event aimed at revamping Israeli-Palestinian peace process | The Times of Israel

 

On Tuesday, September 26, "Saudi Arabia's newly appointed envoy to the Palestinian Authority presented his credentials to President Mahmoud Abbas during his first visit to the Israeli-occupied West Bank on Tuesday, a move linked to recent American efforts to normalize ties between Saudi Arabia and Israel."  "He sought to assure the Palestinians that Saudi Arabia was "working to establish a Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as its capital", without elaborating."  "God willing, next time this meeting will take place in Jerusalem,".....
1st Saudi envoy to the Palestinians in West Bank, Israeli minister in Riyadh amid normalization push | AP News

 

Sure sounds like Saudi Arabia et al 'had something up their sleeve' - sending a first time envoy to meet with the Palestinians on Sept 26 - and tell them the Saudis was working on something to establish a Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as its capital - WITHOUT ELABORATING.

How exactly did SA plan to "revamp" or "reinvigorate" the issue of the Palestinians?  And what "leverage" did they talk about at these meetings? 

 

Did Saudi Arabia help Hamas with this attack on Israel?  Is this the revamping/leveraging they were talking about?  Was this attack what they could not elaborate on?  It was definitely a well guarded secret.  Were Egypt and Jordan warned beforehand so they could 'cover' their borders for refugee spillage or the war expanding? Jordan moved troops to their border to guard the crossings.  And Egypt moved troops to their border too.  It would be interesting to know WHEN these plans were drawn up. 

 

 

Maybe we can glean something from the keynote speaker at the SDG Peace meeting:  U.N. Secretary-General Guterres.  He said, on October 9, after the attack, that the attacks on Israeli's by Hamas were "abhorrent" and he condemns them.  He asked them to cease these attacks and release the hostages.  He said that the "humanitarian situation in Gaza was extremely dire before these hostilities".  ((I'll add, even though the world has given the Palestinians billions of dollars since the late 60s - their leadership has squandered it on weapons, acts of terrorism, and bribes and pay outs to leadership, lining their own pockets - instead of going to the people and for infrastructure like schools, hospitals, etc. And I found out Israel pays for their water and electricity - to Gaza.))  Guterres went on to appeal for an end "to the vicious cycle of bloodshed, hatred and polarization."  ((I'll add, it isn't the Israeli's constantly attack Palestinians over the border - the burning kites, burning tires, throwing rocks, attacks on Jewish buses, synagogues, desecration of Jewish holy sites, etc has gone on since Israel became a nation again.))

 

He goes on to say, basically, that if Israel wants to have "peace and security" then there has to be a Palestinian state;  via "...the long-held vision of a two-State solution, in line with United Nations resolutions, international law and previous agreements."
Middle East crisis: Guterres appeals for end to ‘vicious cycle of bloodshed, hatred and polarization’ | UN News

 

There it is - IF Israel wants "peace and security" they must divide off their land for the creation of a a Palestinian state. 

 

 Even the U.S. is against Israel - Blinken said "In our judgement that (resolving their differences and to have a better future for Palestinians) needs to involve a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."

Israel Peace Talk added to SDG Summit – The Blogging Hounds

 

The U.S. is no friend of Israel.

 

We keep hearing about the "massive intelligence failure".  Yet, so many people have spoken up and said that was impossible.  With the high tech U.S. intelligence/CIA, Mossad, etc - someone knew something.  I suspect that the U.S. knew.  I believe that Saudi Arabia knew.  The Arab League knew.  Jordan and Egypt knew, at some point.  In fact, Egypt said they warned Netanyahu.   And it's come out that someone turned off the security fence between Gaza and Israel!  That had to be a big government with hackers capable of doing this.   

 

Was this attack by Hamas always part of the plan to push Israel into a two-state solution? We've been told this may have been in the planning for a year or more.  It looked like Netanyahu was going along with the "normalization" deal but he downplayed the part about a two-state solution.  Was this the push to get him to concede?  I'm sure the intelligence he had showed him this was a knife in the back.  To cut up Israel and divide Jerusalem.  

 

How else to push Israel into this than to take them to the brink of all out war?

 

Offering them "peace and security" in exchange for land and East Jerusalem.

 

There are news reports out now that Egypt warned Netanyahu three days before the Hamas attack.  Netanyahu called this 'fake news'.

 

House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCalul said, "There seems to have been a failure of intelligence..We're not quite sure how we missed it.  We're not quite sure how Israel missed it.  We know that Egypt warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen."  "He added that the attack "had been planned perhaps as long as a year ago."
Egypt Warned Israel 3 Days Before Attack, House Foreign Affairs Chair Says

 

So this attack had nothing to do with "normalization" plans between Saudi Arabia and Israel that Hamas was trying to 'detonate'.  This was about pushing Israel into a corner to start the process of dividing her and taking Jerusalem.  Ultimately to totally annihilate the Jews and Israel.

 

This intelligence 'failure' seems on purpose to me.  I had thought maybe people were supernaturally blinded to bring about the prophecies - but maybe people knew - it was to be something like "a knife in the back of Israel".  To force her to concede her land and East Jerusalem.

 

"Saudi Arabia has paused talks for possible normalization of ties with Israel...The monarchy has suspended talks with the United States to normalize ties with Israel over ongoing Israeli airstrikes on the Gaza Strip..." 
Sources: Saudi Arabia halts talks for normalization with Israel

 

 

Not because of what Hamas did to Israel, but because of what Israel is doing to Gaza and Hamas.

 

And guess who's in Saudi Arabia today, Saturday 10/14?  Blinken.  He's there as "part of a regional tour".  Supposedly trying to get the "normalization" facade back on track.  He's ridiculous and inconsequential.

  

If my assumptions about the U.N. SDG side meeting with Saudi Arabia/Arab League/Guterres/Jordan and Egypt is true.  If my assumptions about the "normalization" plan being pushed by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia is true.  Then the U.S., SA, Egypt and Jordan - and quite possibly Guterres all knew what Hamas was planning AND probably helped them.  All to push Israel isn't accepting a two-state solution in exchange for "peace and security" 

 

So then Netanyahu knew Washington and the Saudis were going to stab Israel in the back.  Peace with the Jewish state was a joke.  It's coming out that there is no way the U.S. didn't know about this attack.  

 

And guess what?  "Emergency meeting of Arab League calls for 'serious negotiations between the PLO and Israel.  Arab foreign ministers have urged Israel to meet its international obligations as an occupying power and return to negotiations on a two-state solution that provides a viable state for Palestine."

 

"At an emergency meeting of the Arab League in Cairo on Wednesday, ministers underlined "the importance of resuming the peace process and starting serious negotiations between the Palestine Liberation Organization and Israel"

 

"The move is part of a twin track - and largely Saudi-led - initiative to de-escalate the crisis, but also make Israel accept its refusal to negotiate has led to the collapse in relations with Hamas."  Sauds maintain that the "violence would not have occurred if Palestinians had been granted the independent state they have demanded for decades."

 

The Saudi minister of foreign affairs "has been on the phone to Gulf and western leaders, urging "the international community to come together to meet the aspirations of the brotherly Palestinian people".  Saudis blamed the escalation on "the continued occupation" and "the deprivation of the Palestinian people of their legitimate rights."  "Saudi Arabia also played a large part in the joint EU-Gulf Cooperation Council that called for a two-state solution."

 

"Riyadh is understood to be unimpressed by the US decision to send an aircraft carrier to the region."  ((Was this U.S. doing this also just for show??))

 

"Saudi newspapers have become more explicit in saying there will be no peace in the region unless Palestine is granted its own state."  The article mentions Qatar and Saudi Arabia rebuilding Gaza.  ((Qatar is where the Hamas headquarters are located.))
Arab ministers urge Israel to resume talks on two-state solution | Middle East and north Africa | The Guardian

Arab ministers urge Israel to resume talks on two-state solution | Middle East and north Africa | The Guardian

 

Sure doesn't sound like the Hamas attack was a surprise to the Saudis!  And it wasn't a surprise to Egypt - they admitted that they knew about an upcoming attack.  Where did they get that info from?  

 

I see all of this as a big set up to stab Israel in the back and push her into concessions for a Palestinian state.  And we all know where that will lead.  It will be a "Gaza on steroids."

 

Saudi Arabia has been front and center in all of these big meetings.  Whether they helped plan these attacks by Hamas - so far no evidence of this.  But it sure looks like they knew something.  Maybe the IDF will find this out.

 

And I see Gaza as a trap.  

 

"Hamas's ruthless and spectacular attack on southern Israel last Saturday was many things: an atrocity, a display of militant ingenuity, and a demonstration of the weakness of Israeli intelligence and defenses...But above all, it was intended as a trap - one that Israel appears about to fall into."  Israel has been goaded into boots on the ground in Gaza.
Israel Is Walking Into a Trap - The Atlantic

 

I saw a quote from a retired Israeli General - he said the same thing.  Going into Gaza will bog down the IDF - and the attack will come from the North of Israel.

 

Germany and the U.S. are evacuating all of their citizens from Israel by noon Saturday, 10/15.

 

This is still escalating and very fluid.  The news is coming out hot and heavy.  It's hard to keep up.  What's reported ends up being old in a matter of hours.

 

Lots of prayers for the peace of Jerusalem!

 

Maranatha!

 

Chance