John that's the point I came to. The sorrows and first five seals are not the wrath. The tribulation and wrath begin at the sixth seal. It's obvious it was under the veil right in front of our eyes because we wanted to escape the sorrows. Except looking with Gods eye salve applied it's obvious we are in them. Seal 2 about to go with the ME and Europe. No need to fight over who's right. Both are! What's in a name? The bible clearly states to wait for His Son from Heaven who saves us from the wrath to come! Wrath = fury Gods fury comes at Gog Magog! All at the same time.

Brenda's observation is so simple and astute as well! The bride needs to remain here as Gods witness He who restrains is the Holy Spirit active in the Philadelphia church until the 144,000 are sealed! The great multitude that have come out of great tribulation is the bride!

There shall be signs in the sun moon and stars! The blood moon tetrad marking the season. Before the question of why are we still here and my quest to scripture to answer I would have been all over the Rosh this year. Like I have said God confirms with two witnesses myself Joe etc, the blood tetrad and shimatah year ending in Rosh next year at the last blood moon. I think the only one's in the dark of the season and time will be those not watching. I invite everyone search the scripture compare the verses pray seek the truth and heed the  witness of the tetrad and shimatah and all those passionately arguing for Rosh the wedding feast. The fact is God placed a red push pin there and circled it!

But remember I see the wink of no man knows! Jesus said He may tarry to John! He told the wise virgins extra oil! If we are still here day after Rosh 2015 keep watching two days three! Will we see days of darkness will He then come?