Barry Amundsen (11 Oct 2013)
"Gino and Patty RP "Go and sin no more""

Gino,
 
I agree with you. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2013/gino108-3.htm
 
The key is in the surrendering of the will part and the good that is done in us is by Him through us. This is where many Christians get off track. They want to make a claim on the last parts of your post:
 
I'm saved by Jesus.
I'm kept by Jesus.
I'll be taken by Jesus.
It's all him.
 
yet they, like Howard Pittman, also want to be in control of their own lives and think that by doing things for Jesus, it gives them the right to expect things from Him, including salvation itself. They do not understand that apart from Him they can do NOTHING and that surrender to Him is absolutely required for Him to do for them what He does. He gives beauty for ashes but we must give Him our ashes and recognize them as dung as Paul called it. Paul also said that this is not a one time thing but rather "I die daily". Many of them also believe that they can read the scriptures and arrive at their intended meaning apart from the Holy Spirit interpreting it for them. So they will decide for themselves what a passage means, like the one "Go and sin no more..." also being discussed currently by another Dove and you here:
 
You [Gino] said:
The moment she heard the word of God (Jesus is God), she was supernaturally empowered by faith, in order to keep the commandment.
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe that. Why would Jesus tell her to go and SIN NO MORE…if He already knew she was supernaturally empowered, as you say, to keep the commandment.
 
So, this other Dove, Patty RP http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2013/pattyrp108.htm
 
says she does not believe what you said in blue. You and I do both believe this and this is the difference between us and these other types. Patty seems to have missed where you said "The MOMENT she heard... Meaning that just prior to this moment, she did NOT have this supernatural power over sin but Jesus was giving it to her right then just as He also could give the gift of supernatural healing to a blind man by speaking the words to him, Receive thy sight, or to a lame man, Rise up, take up your bed and walk. In the moment Jesus spoke these words to this lame man He gave the supernatural gift of healed legs. So likewise Jesus speaking to a sinful woman, Go, and sin no more, can give her the supernatural gift of power over sin from that point on. He gives us His righteousness as we acknowledge and surrender our imperfections and we receive that gift of new righteous life by faith just as a blind man receives the gift of sight by faith or a lame man receives the gift of healed legs by faith. When we receive this gift of righteousness we are as changed in fact as the blind or the lame are. It is not just an idea or wonderful wish while we remain unchanged in fact. Whom the Son sets free is free INDEED meaning it really happens, not just a wishful, wouldn't it be nice, if only, or someday it will be so, kind of thing. The blind man saw indeed, the lame walked, leaped and praised God indeed and the sinful woman WENT AND SINNED NO MORE indeed! And so do you and I if we will receive this gift by faith. It really works. The old man is still with us but we are to reckon him dead as a door nail and give no place for his lusts until we receive our new bodies that will have no sin, because God only looks on our new man and deals with us according to that spiritual new man.
 
But there are many Christians living like Howard Pittman was doing as described in his book "Placebo" where they believe in Jesus as to who He is but do not surrender their lives to Him in fact and are not being set free by Him and are therefore not experiencing the new victorious life in Him that is available and therefore they do not comprehend those of us who do. They probably will not understand why they have been left behind at the rapture and will cry to Jesus to be included but He will say to them depart from me I do not know you or where you are from, you that work iniquity. Why does He say this? They have not allowed Him into their lives by grace through faith to actually talk with them and reason together and though their sin were as scarlet make them white as snow. They rather skipped all that and just claimed those statements quoted above, "I'm saved by Jesus... etc," without letting Him actually do it! That is why they do not understand what being forgiven and cleansed means and they argue over it.