Sandra's post here: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2012/sandraj929-2.htm is a good read for anyone. If the Apostasia is "doctrinal" and not "physical", would you say it's what Paul is addressing in his letter to Timothy? 1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"... It looks like it might be to me, but Paul does use a different word there; Aphistemi. If it is the same "departure", than it clearly involves a broad time period (latter times), which the Catching Away (Harpazo) does NOT involve. thanks for your comments.