Sandra -

re

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2012/sandraj929-2.htm

your comments are noted and that is an argument that I have read before.

especially point three, which I think is very logical, and make break
the Departure = Catching away argument.

thanks for those Jack Kelley notes.

I have no predisposition on this. My notes are what they are, an
initial review of the number 863 and what it appears to be to me at
this given point in time.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2012/clay922.htm

If the Departure is, indeed, an Doctrinal Apostasy event, then is it
worldwide? regional? denominational? is it just talking about the
backslidden believers in the West? specifically the USA? is it talking
about the Seed-fath movement? is it talking about the prosperity
movement? is it talking about the miracles dont ahppen any more
because the Apostles all died out movement?

does it, or did it happen on a specific day? or did it happen over a
generation? did it happen on 9-11?

how can a believer know that this has happened, so that their minds
are put at ease about it as Paul wanted them to be?