Daniel (14 Nov 2021)
"Re Garry B. 07. Nov. 2021 ("Reply to Daniel 31. Oct 2021")"

 
 
Re Garry B. 07. Nov. 2021 ("Reply to Daniel 31. Oct 2021")
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Dear brother Garry
Dear brethren of Five Doves
 
 
This is brother Daniel from Switzerland. My mother tongue  is Swiss 
German dialect but my English is quite oK and therefore I think You 
will very well understand the following:
 
Dear brother Garry, on 07. Nov. 2021 You wrote again that there is no
immediate rapture (= rapture possible at any time) but there has first
to be waited for the start of the Gog and Magog war. And that this war
is the sign to look for and only after the start of this war the rapture
can take place.
 
And You underline Your doctrine with Luke 21,20 ff.
 
But I still cannot agree with You dear brother: the text of Luke 21,20 ff.
is about the destruction of Israel including Jerusalem.
 
But in the Gog and Magog war Israel is not going to be destroyed (or only
partially) but Israel will win this war and with the help of God Himself !
 
No other nation is mentioned to help Israel in the Gog and Magog war
and especially the USA is not mentioned too ! And already this is a
clear sign for me that the Gog and Magog war will be after the rapture
because the USA will be a very weakened nation after the rapture and
not being able to help Israel with his army and probably also weakened
by a great earthquake (eventually great earthquake immediately
before the rapture, see my other letter to Five Doves).
 
And Israel wins the Gog and Magog war in such a spectacular and such
a powerful demonstration of the power of God that all the nations of the
world will recognize God's hand = Ezekiel 38,23.
 
But there is even more to say: It is not only to mention that Israel wins
the Gog and Magog war, but there is also a pouring out of the Holy Spirit
in whole Israel at the end of the Gog and Magog war = Ezekiel 39,29.
 
But nowhere in the whole text (Ezekiel 38 + 39) there is mentioned
a pouring out of the Holy Spirit among the nations and there is only
mentioned a pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon the whole nation of
Israel = another clear sign that the Gog and Magog war is after
the rapture. Because the pouring out of the Holy Spirit among the
nations started at Pentecost and with the start of the Church of age
and will come to an end at the rapture. After the rapture the main
interest of Got returns to the Jews. And there will for example be
144'000 evangelists during the tribulation and this will all be Jews. 
 
On the other side You brother Garry could eventually be right, that
because of Matthew 25,5 - 7 + 1. Thess. 4,16 something really
big will indeed happen immediately before the rapture ?
See my letter II and my open question. 
 
Your doctrine, dear brother Garry = first to wait for the Gog and Magog
war and only afterwards the rapture means that there is no immediate
rapture at any moment. And this doctrine is not true and Your doctrine
is a dangerous "sleeping pill" not to wait any longer every second and
with a burning and growing expectancy for the immediate return of
Jesus Christ any second by the rapture (or by our physical death =
we will also be immediately with the Lord) but to fall asleep and first
to wait for the start of the Gog and Magog war. 
 
Therefore the following seems to be much more logical:
 
-  immediate rapture possible anytime 
 
-  date of the rapture = Revelation 4,1 and before the rapture there
   is a church like described/Laodicea church/Revelation 3,14 ff.
 
-  immediately after the rapture peace is being taken away from the 
   earth = Revelation 6,4.
 
-  wars breaking out including the Gog and Magog war
 
-  Israel alone in the Gog and Magog war because of a weakened
   America after the rapture
 
-  But God Himself and God alone helps Israel to win the Gog and 
   Magog war
 
-  Wordlwide revival after the Gog and Magog war in the first half of
   the tribulation = the Gentiles recognize the power of God and many
   come to the Lord Ezekiel 38,23 + the pouring out of the Holy Spirit
   will be in the whole nation of Israel and to annoint also the Jewish
   evangelists in Ezekiel 39,29 for the worldwide revival in the first
   half of the tribulation which will be accompanied by a worldwide
   christian and jewish persecution (accept the mark of the beast or
   you have to be killed).
 
 
Kind regards from Switzerland    brother Daniel