Robert G (22 Nov 2013)
"To Rene: - "DRESS like women of God or stop calling yourselves Christians!""


To all the Doves

Modesty?  Few seem to know the word.

The way people dress, and the way people act, are but two reasons why I stopped attending the Latin Rite Catholic Church.  Just to clarify any confusion, The Roman Catholic Church consists of many different Rites. Of the Western Rites, but the Latin Rites is the largest, The Pope, and the Vatican are the heart of the Latin Rite.  The Vatican and the Latin Rite overshadow the Eastern Rites. To the best of my understanding, all the Eastern Rites are “Orthodox”, but do recognize The Pope.  Certainly there is a concern in the Eastern Rites about the “Latinization” of the Eastern Rites, and in particular, the concern has touched the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, and a group of Bishops have formally split from Rome.  To put this in context, prior to Vatican II, The Vatican had very little interaction with the Eastern Rites.

Getting to the point of the story, a few years back I was attending a Sunday Mass, and between the people chattering, two teenage girls a few rows ahead drinking pop, chewing gum, and holding hands was just too much for me.  Even going back 30 years, I had issues with the lack of reverence, and the focus on community as opposed to worship.  In the past, I used to go to the church when it was empty: at least it was quiet.

In the Eastern Rite Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, the focus is clearly on worship.  The term “Mass” is not used: we celebrate the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.  Generally speaking, those attending the service are dressed up: for a man to not be wearing a suit and tie would be the exception.  Women are dressed up as well.  A good analogy would be people dressing as if they were going to a marriage ceremony.  No one is chatting, there is no shaking hands, there is no socializing: The Divine Liturgy is focused solely on The Worship of God, and there is a very clear emphasis on The Holy Trinity.

I make no judgements, I just observe. What I see in the Latin Rite is a celebration of community first, and the Worship of God second.  In the Ukrainian Church I see the Worship of God first, and community in the hall next to the church.  Just as an aside, I do not speak Ukrainian, only the older parishioners do, and the Divine Liturgy is celebrated in English.

Perhaps the day is coming where the Eastern Catholic Rites will merge back in to their true Orthodox counterparts?  That is my guess.

We are all waiting for Christ’s return. 

Robert G.
http://apostolictradition.org —> I invite you to make this empty forum your own. It is sadly lacking when it comes to Reformed Theology, and meaningful discussions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Greek_Catholic_Church   (The current church) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Orthodox_Greek_Catholic_Church  (The protest group that has left the “Umbrella of Rome”)

http://esoptron.umd.edu/ugc/Liturgy1.html  (The Divine Liturgy)