Gino (4 Nov 2013)
"RE: Chelsea Brown & all the doves: 11.01.13: rotation"


 

Chelsea,

             Thank you for your response.

Given the scriptures that you referenced & the question that you asked, yes, a possible explanation for that would be rotation.

However, there is also another possibility, and that of the sun going around the earth, rather than the earth rotating on its axis.

Of course, there is probably less than 0.001% of the Christians living today, who do not believe that the earth is rotating on its axis.

They got what they believed about it from school, not from the scriptures, though.

The percentage is low, also, amongst the lost.

Yet there are a few scientific groups who maintain a geocentric model, rather than the helio-centric model, and they do so as scientists, and mathematically.

I’ve never met one of them, but I’ve seen their writings, yet it is scientific, and not based on scriptures.

 

When I was in my last year of high school, in Physics class, I got my Lab group punished, I think for asking the wrong question.

I was not a Christian at that time, and neither were the other 3 members of our Lab group.

I think I asked if there was any possibility of a geocentric model.

Our punishment was to plot the trajectories of the other planets, based on the geocentric model.

I personally had to mathematically calculate, and then plot, the epicycles of Mars, based on the geocentric model.

 

I should have learned my lesson, which is to never bring the subject up, and to go with the flow of the current majority scientific view.

However, I caused another stir, some years later.

In one of the college courses that I taught, I asked the students to do two things:

1)     Calculate the linear velocity of the sun, given the geocentric model & a ~9.3E7 mile radius

2)     Search to see if modern astronomy has measured or postulated motions of other celestial objects at around that same velocity

They found some very recent claims of galaxies, presumed to be traveling with a linear velocity very near to that which they calculated in step 1)

To say the least, they were dumbfounded, since their grandparents had always scoffed at the idea of a geocentric model.

Which they did primarily due to their belief that it would be impossible for something celestial to travel at that velocity.

 

It seems, and I could be wrong here, that there is a particular window, in the child’s development, where children can be easily convinced of hard things.

If they are too young, they will not understand what is being explained, so they will dismiss it.

If they are too old, they will have learned to reason things on their own, and will be very difficult to convince.

Two things in general have their roots, or foundations, laid somewhere around second grade, at least in the U.S.

One is, that given a “gazillion” years (i.e. a higher number than they can grasp at that age), impossible things are “guaranteed” to happen:

1)    life will come to be, all on its own, at a very small (one cell) level

2)    the one cells will eventually “Lego” themselves into fish

3)    fish will somehow walk out of the water and turn into furry animals

4)    monkeys, if they eat enough bananas & wait another “gazillion” years, turn into people

The other is that the earth rotates & orbits the sun

 

For those children who had protracted illnesses during that time of life, missed out on the scientific propaganda, foundation-laying, that the others received.

Years later, if they speak about it, however most are terrified at the humiliation if found out.

If you ask them the same series of questions, that you ask any of the other children who did get the foundation, you will get a different response:

1)     A fly goes over from one side to the other, did the fly actually move?

a.     they all say yes

2)     A baseball goes over from one side to the other, did the baseball actually move?

a.     they all say yes

3)     A bird goes over from one side to the other, did the bird actually move?

a.     they all say yes

4)     A cloud goes over from one side to the other, did the cloud actually move?

a.     they all say yes

5)     A jet goes over from one side to the other, did the jet actually move?

a.     they all say yes

6)     The moon goes over from one side to the other (East to West) , did the moon actually move?

a.     they all say yes, but the others do so hesitantly, as they believe the moon moves, but they were also convinced that the earth moves, too

7)     The sun goes over from one side to the other (East to West), did the sun actually move?

a.     the one who missed a large portion of second grade will say, yes, the sun moved, like the others

b.     the others who got the early childhood training, will say, no, in this case it is different, even though it appears the same

 

Back to my original questioning:

Does the scriptures show an earth that rotates once every 24 hours, and orbits once every ~365 days?

Or does the scriptures show a sun that goes around the earth?

 

Will the world, and many professing Christians, laugh at someone who, from the scriptures,

.        believes that the LORD created in 6 days and rested the 7th?

.        believes that the earth is only ~6E3 years old, and not >4E9 years?

.        believes that God personally made Adam and Eve, and that all people on the earth come from them?

.        believes the scriptures, rather than their teachers?

 

Yes, most of us that believe that way, are thought of as fools for believing that.

What about someone who chooses to believe the scriptures regarding the earth and the sun, rather than their teachers?

Will a Christian lose rewards at the judgment seat of Christ, for taking the scriptures literally, believing that the sun goes around the earth?

 

                          Gino