Donna Danna (2 May 2021)
"REPLY TO GINO -- Do Angels Suffer Pain & Can The Devil Deceive Us If He Descends Feet First On The Mount of Olives?"


In reply to your 4/25 post called What Will This Be Like? at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2021/gino425-9.htm  I'll try to answer some of your questions from your post which are listed below:

When angels fight, is there pain?
They will suffer torment in the lake of fire, so do they not feel pain?
They don't die, but can they be hurt badly?
While they fight, can an angel cut off a finger of another angel?
When they are cast out into the earth, do they crash land?
Or, what if the devil uses that moment to deceive?
And descends slowly, feet first, upon the mount of Olives?
To counterfeit Jesus, and to deceive?

Below are my answers:

Joel 2 tells us about "a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations" that are coming on the day of the Lord.  Joel 2:8 says, "Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded."  In Joel 2:11, they are called the Lord's army.  To me this sounds like angels who have shapeshifted to look like men just like the two angels that appeared to Lot in the city of Sodom in Genesis 19.  They are described as angels in Genesis 19:1&15, but are described as two men in Genesis 19:5, 10, 12, & 16 who looked like men to the other men of Sodom who wanted to have sex with them.  In Joel 2, these angels who have shapeshifted to appear as men shall not be wounded when they fall upon the sword so  it doesn't look like they can cut off the finger of another angel nor could they be hurt badly since they can't be wounded.

As for angels feeling pain, we do know that they will be tormented in the everlasting fire which was created for the devil and his angels according to Matt. 25:41.  Satan, the devil, is also a fallen angel, and Rev. 20:10 says, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."  So it looks like anyone that is cast into the lake of fire is tormented.  Even the demons that Jesus cast out of two men possessed by the demons knew that they were going to be tormented at a certain time because Matt. 8:29 says, "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"    Also the rich man in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is being tormented in hell's flame according to Luke 16:23-25.  Revelation 14:9-11 also shows that all those who worshipped the beast and took the mark of the beast in the forehead or in the right hand as being tormented.  Rev. 14: 9-11, "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."  Jesus in Mark 9:43-48 speaks of hell fire as a place "where their worm dieth not and the fire is never quenched."  Isaiah 66:23-24 says, "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."  Imagine if those dead men are those who worshipped the beast and took his mark who are being tormented with fire and brimstone can also feel worms crawl in and out of them.

In my opinion, I don't think that Satan and his fallen angels, who are going to be cast out of heaven, will crash land unless they shapeshift to look like aliens and crash land in a UFO because they wouldn't look powerful if they crash landed..  If anything, they may arrive in a huge gigantic mothership which would terrify the people of the Earth.  And if Satan descended feet first down onto the mount of Olives where Jesus is supposed to descend, he would look supernatural like a god.  However, Satan would only be able to deceive those who aren't aware of what it says in Zechariah 14:4 & 8.  When Jesus stands on the mount of Olives, there is going to be a great earthquake that cracks the mount of  Olives from east to west with half of the mountain moving north and half of the mountain moving south.  And living waters are going to be running through the valley that the earthquake leaves from west to east.  So the mount of Olives will not be splitting in half until the Lord Jesus' return which is how you will know Satan descending on the mount of Olives is not the Lord Jesus.