Re: Pastor Bob (26 Apr 2015)
""Pre-Tribulation Truth - 8"", and followingHi:> > 41. The Bible makes a distinction during the Tribulation. Revelation 7:1-17 notes the sealing of 144,000 sealed servants from the twelve tribes of Israel.To me, the 144,000 Israelites are sealed on the Day of God’s Wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.Rev 6:17 says, “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”> > Jeremiah 30:7 notes that the Tribulation as "Jacob's trouble". Again, the focus is on Israel, not the Bride/Church.I take it that the time of Jacob’s trouble is one literal day. No other day is like it.Jer 30:7 says, “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he (i.e., the 144,000) shall be saved out of it.”> > 49. The Bride/Church is absolutely central in Revelation 1-3 (mentioned 19X) and is also seen in Revelation 4 and 5, in the description of the 24 elders. Notably absent in those five chapters is any mention of the nation of Israel.I think the 24 elders in Rev. 4:4 are the 12 patriarchs of Israel and the 12 apostles of Israel. They are “the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel” that “shall gather themselves unto thee” at the time of the first trumpet.There are two trumpet calls, two Raptures.Num 10:1-4 says, “And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them (i.e., both) for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (i.e., the 12 patriarchs), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.”1Th 4:16,17 tells us about the first trumpet. It says, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”The “last trump” is in 1Co 15:51-54. It says, “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”Pastor Bob (26 Apr 2015)
""Pre-Tribulation Truth - 9""> > 52...try to find where it specifically says that the Bride/Church will be in the Tribulation. It simply does not exist.In the Preview of “The Revelation of Jesus Christ”, John, one of the elders, played out the Rapture. He became in the Spirit “in tribulation”.In Rev. 1:9-11, he said, “I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., possibly Thursday, the day of both the Crucifixion and later, the Ascension of Jesus), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last”.Mat 24:20-22 says, “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then (i.e., following Mid-Trib) shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”Joh 16:31-33 says, “Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? 32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. 33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”Act_14:22 says, “Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”Rom 5:3 says, “we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience”.Rom_12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer”.Rev_2:9 says, “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”The overcomers of all church groups will be in the first half of the Tribulation. The church of Thyatira is threatened to be left behind at the time of the Mid-Trib Rapture to go into the Great Tribulation. Rev_2:22 says, “Behold, I will cast her (i.e., the church of Thyatira) into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds.”Rev_7:14 says, “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”> > The Bride/Church is promised a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Do you believe it?No. I believe that the Bride is promised a Pre-Great Tribulation Rapture.> > 81. In the book of Revelation, "Wrath" is found 10X: Revelation 6:16; 6:17; 11:18; 14:10; 14:19; 15:1; 15:7; 16:1; 16:19; and 19:15. Why isn't the Bride/Church mentioned in those chapters?It is. The “rise” in Rev. 11:1 refers to the Mid-Trib Rapture of the Bride/Church.Rev 10:11 says, “And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.”Therefore, the “COME UP HITHER” of Rev. 4:1 and the “RISE” of Rev. 11:1 are the first Rapture, and the “COME UP HITHER” of Rev. 11:12 is the last Rapture.Rev 4:1,2 says, “behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit”.Rev 11:1,2 says, “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.”Rev 11:12 is the second Rapture. It says, “And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.”> > 84. The Bride/Church will not be "overtaken by the Day of the Lord" as 1st Thessalonians 5:1-9 states. The "Day of the Lord" is just another phrase which defines the Tribulation. The Bride/Church will not be caught in it, it will be caught up from it!To me, the Day of the Lord is the day Jesus receives his millennial kingdom at the end of the Great Tribulation. That day is the day of the Last-Trump Rapture and the Day of God’s Wrath.Mal_4:5 says, “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD”. Elijah comes at the time of the First-Trump Rapture Mid-Trib.2Pe_3:10 says, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”Amo_5:18 says, “Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.”Act_2:20 says, “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come”.Rev 6:12 says, “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood”.Joe_1:15 says, “Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.”Joe_2:11 says, “And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?”Joe_2:31 says, “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.”Rev 6:17 says, “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”Isa_13:6 says, “Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.”Isa_13:9 says, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.”The Day of the Lord is also Jesus’ Long Day, of which Joshua’s Long Day was a type. On that day, the asteroid Wormwood will destroy Babylon (Rev. 8:11), turning the world upside down.Isa_24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.”Isa 24:6 says, “Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”Jos 10:11-14 says, “And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. 12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. 14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.”> > 87. ...The judgment could not happen to Sodom until Lot was taken out of there. So also, the Tribulation cannot happen until the Bride/Church is taken out of the world in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.To me, the First-Trump Rapture will be as the days of Noah, and the Last-Trump Rapture will be as the days of Lot. The asteroid impact on the Day of the Lord will be much like the asteroid impact in the days of Lot. It split the Earth from Turkey to Lake Nyassa in Africa, forming the Great Rift Valley and punching down the bedrock a the Dead Sea.MID-TRIB: WE ARE CAUGHT UP WHEN SATAN IS CAST DOWNEph 6:12,13 says, “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day (i.e., Mid-Trib, when Satan is cast out of Heaven), and having done all, to stand (histemi, to bring up).”Rev 12:6-12 says, “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the Mid-Trib Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).Agape,Marilyn Ageeprophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com