This is in reply to your 5/24 post at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2015/jovial524-1.htm in which you stated the following: "I
heard an interesting theory today. Someone suggested that Revelation
is in sequential order, but simply resets in places. For example,
Revelation 11 talks about the 7th trumpet about to be blown, but never
describes it blowing. It simply announces it ahead of time. He said
Revelation 12 is a PAST event, and the chronology is resetting here."
"That's
an interesting theory, and an interpretation I find plausible. Now I
know some people think Revelation skips back and forth in timing all
over the place, but much of the language suggests it is to be
interpreted in sequentual order. For example, the 7 seals seem to all
happen in sequence, not jump around in time. The 3 Woes are in
sequential order and we're told, "One woe is past; behold, there come
two woes more hereafter." (Rev 9:12) and the phrase "and after these
things" or "after this" is used about 8 times in Revelation."
MY COMMENTS BELOW:
It
is in Rev. 10:7 that the seventh angel begins to sound, but it is in
Rev. 11:15 that the seventh angel actually sounded so the person who
came up with the theory must have missed reading Rev. 11:15.
As
for Revelation 12 being a past event, how can the entire chapter of
Rev. 12 be a past event when the woman (Israel) hasn't fled into the
wilderness yet for 1,260 days? Could part of Rev. 12 be past and part
of it be future? It would sort of be like seeing a movie made in the
present that John on the island of Patmos is viewing, but at times ( the
movie as John's vision) skips back to past events that have already
happened and sometimes it skips ahead to scenes in the future that
haven't happened yet. For instance, was Rev. 12:4 fulfilled when Satan
used King Herod to kill all the Jewish children age 2 and under so that
he could kill Jesus? However, Herod failed in his attempt to kill
Jesus.
Rev.
12:4, "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and
did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which
was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was
born."
Wasn't Rev. 12:5 fulfilled when Jesus ascended into heaven 40 days after rising from the dead?
Rev.
12:5, "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations
with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."
And
isn't it also possible that Rev. 12:5 is also futuristic as a symbol of
the body of Christ being raptured to heaven just prior to the great
tribulation when the woman Israel flees into the wilderness for 1260
days?
Rev.
12:6 doesn't sound like it has been fulfilled so it will happen in the
future. Rev. 12:6, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she
hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand
two hundred and threescore days."
So
is Rev. 12:7-17 past or in the future when the great dragon Satan and
his angels are cast out of heaven and unto the earth after fighting with
Michael and his angels, and then the dragon persecutes the woman
(Israel) who brought forth the man child (Jesus). Well, you have to
consider what the third woe might be that follows the second woe. Rev.
12:12, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe
to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come
down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a
short time." Since the word "woe"
is used in that verse, isn't the devil come down unto you (the
inhabiters of the earth and of the sea) having great wrath sound like
that is the third woe? This is followed by Rev. 12:13, "And when the
dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman
which brought forth the man child."
Some might think that since six million Jews were killed in the
Holocaust and by the time World War II ended in 1945, that verse 12:13
might have already been fulfilled, but how could it have been fulfilled
if the third woe has to follow the second woe which followed the first
woe, and the first woe and the second woe haven't been fulfilled yet
either. Also the next verse 12:14 hasn't been fulfilled yet either.
Rev.
12:14, "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that
she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is
nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the
serpent."
Also
in Rev. 12:4 the tail of the dragon "drew the third part of the stars
of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before
the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as
soon as it was born," but it is in Rev. 12:7-17 that both the dragon
Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of heaven and down unto the
earth after fighting against Michael and his angels and "neither was
there place found any more in heaven." Don't verses 12:4 and
12:7-17 sound like two entirely different events?
As
for the book of Revelation being in sequential order, it sounds like
most of it is. However, if chapter 13 was in sequential order, then the
mark of the beast in chapter 13 would be implemented following the
third woe in chapter 12, and the angel preaching the gospel to all that
dwell on earth along with the warning from the angel not to take the
mark of the beast in chapter 14 would also follow the third woe. Or
does most of chapter 13 and 14 fit between the 5th seal and the opening
of the 6th seal found in Chapter 6?
Rev.
6:9-11, "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar
the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the
testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How
long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood
on them that dwell on the earth? And
white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto
them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow
servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."