Michael Colunga (7 May 2013)
"RE:  David H (1 May 2013)"

 
Hello, John and Doves,
 
RE:  David H (1 May 2013)
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Quotes from the letters of Clement I are from David H's post:  http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2013/davidh51.htm.
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The Ante-Nicene fathers' writings were used to determine which scriptures were inspired.
The Tanakh was set, however the New Testament was yet to be formally confirmed as such until the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
 
Here follows my analysis of the portion of Clement's letters quoted by David H.:
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1Clem 16:1
   For Christ is with them that are lowly of mind, not with them that
exalt themselves over the flock.

 

Word of God:

11“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

John 10:11-13  NIV

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1Clem 16:2
The scepter of the majesty of God, even our Lord Jesus Christ, came
not in the pomp of arrogance or of pride, though He might have done
so, but in lowliness of mind, according as the Holy Spirit spake
concerning Him.

 

Word of God:

5In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6Who, being in very nature God,

did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

7rather, he made himself nothing

by taking the very nature of a servant,

being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself

by becoming obedient to death—

even death on a cross!

Philippians 2:5-8  NIV

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1Clem 16:3
For He saith Lord, who believed our report? and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed? We announced Him in His presence. As a child was He, as a root in a thirsty ground. There is no form in Him, neither glory. And we beheld Him, and He had no form nor comeliness, but His form was mean, lacking more than the form of men. He was a man of stripes and of toil, and knowing how to bear infirmity: for His face is turned away. He was dishonored and held of no account.

 

Word of God:

1Who has believed our message

and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

2He grew up before him like a tender shoot,

and like a root out of dry ground.

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,

nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3He was despised and rejected by mankind,

a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.

Like one from whom people hide their faces

he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Isaiah 53:1-3  NIV

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1Clem 16:4
He beareth our sins and suffereth pain for our sakes: and we accounted Him to be in toil and in stripes and in affliction.

 

Word of God:

4Surely he took up our pain

and bore our suffering,

yet we considered him punished by God,

stricken by him, and afflicted.

Isaiah 53:4  NIV

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1Clem 16:5
And He was wounded for our sins and hath been afflicted for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace is upon Him. With His bruises we were healed.

 

Word of God:

5But he was pierced for our transgressions,

he was crushed for our iniquities;

the punishment that brought us peace was on him,

and by his wounds we are healed.

Isaiah 53:5  NIV

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1Clem 16:6
We all went astray like sheep, each man went astray in his own path:

 

Word of God:

6We all, like sheep, have gone astray,

each of us has turned to our own way;

Isaiah 53:6a  NIV

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1Clem 16:7
and the Lord delivered Him over for our sins. And He openeth not His mouth, because He is afflicted. As a sheep He was led to slaughter; and as a lamb before his shearer is dumb, so openeth He not His mouth. In His humiliation His judgment was taken away.

 

Word of God:

and the Lord has laid on him

the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed and afflicted,

yet he did not open his mouth;

he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,

and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,

so he did not open his mouth.

8By oppression and judgment he was taken away.

Isaiah 53:6b-8a  NIV

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1Clem 16:8
His generation who shall declare? For His life is taken away from the earth.

 

Word of God:

Yet who of his generation protested?

For he was cut off from the land of the living;

Isaiah 53:8 (middle portion)  NIV

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1Clem 16:9
For the iniquities of my people He is come to death.

 

Word of God:

For he was cut off from the land of the living;

for the transgression of my people he was punished.

Isaiah 53:8 (last portion)  NIV

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1Clem 16:10
And I will give the wicked for His burial, and the rich for His death; for He wrought no iniquity, neither was guile found in His mouth. And the Lord desireth to cleanse Him from His stripes.

 

Word of God:

9He was assigned a grave with the wicked,

and with the rich in his death,

though he had done no violence,

nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Isaiah 53:9

 

23When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

1 Peter 2:23  NIV

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1Clem 16:11
If ye offer for sin, your soul shall see a long-lived seed.

 

Word of God:

10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,

and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,

he will see his offspring and prolong his days,

Isaiah 53:10a, 10b  NIV

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1Clem 16:12
And the Lord desireth to take away from the toil of His soul, to show Him light and to mould Him with understanding, to justify a Just One that is a good servant unto many. And He shall bear their sins.

 

Word of God:

and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

11After he has suffered,

he will see the light of life and be satisfied ;

by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,

and he will bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:10c-11  NIV

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1Clem 16:13
Therefore He shall inherit many, and shall divide the spoils of the strong; because His soul was delivered unto death, and He was reckoned unto the transgressors;

 

Word of God:

12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,

and he will divide the spoils with the strong,

because he poured out his life unto death,

and was numbered with the transgressors.

Isaiah 12a, 12b  NIV

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1Clem 16:14
and He bare the sins of many, and for their sins was He delivered up.

 

Word of God:

For he bore the sin of many,

and made intercession for the transgressors.

Isaiah 53:12c  NIV

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1Clem 16:15
And again He Himself saith; But I am a worm and no man, a reproach of men and an outcast of the people.

 

Word of God:

But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people.

Psalm 22:6  NIV

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1Clem 16:16
All they that beheld me mocked at me; they spake with their lips; they wagged their heads, saying, He hoped on the Lord; let Him deliver him, or let Him save him, for He desireth him.

 

Word of God:

7All who see me mock me;

they hurl insults, shaking their heads.

8“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,

“let the Lord rescue him.

Let him deliver him,

since he delights in him.”

Psalm 22:7-8  NIV

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1Clem 16:17
Ye see, dearly beloved, what is the pattern that hath been given unto
us; for, if the Lord was thus lowly of mind, what should we do, who
through Him have been brought under the yoke of His grace?

 

Word of God:

Submit Yourselves to God

1What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

4You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. 5Or do you think Scripture says without reason that he jealously longs for the spirit he has caused to dwell in us ? 6But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:

“God opposes the proud

but shows favor to the humble.”  (Proverbs 3:34) 

7Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

James 4:1-10  NIV

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1Clem 17:1
   Let us be imitators also of them which went about in goatskins and
sheepskins, preaching the coming of Christ. We mean Elijah and Elisha
and likewise Ezekiel, the prophets, and besides them those men also
that obtained a good report.

 

Word of God:

32And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37They were put to death by stoning;e they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.

39These were all commended for their faith....

Hebrews 11:32-39a  NIV

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1Clem 17:2
Abraham obtained an exceeding good report and was called the friend
of God; and looking steadfastly on the glory of God, he saith in
lowliness of mind, But I am dust and ashes.

 

Word of God:

And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

James 2:23  NIV

 

Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes,

Genesis 18:27  NIV

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1Clem 17:3
Moreover concerning Job also it is thus written; And Job was righteous and unblamable, one that was true and honored God and abstained from all evil.

 

Word of God:

1In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

Job 1:1  NIV

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1Clem 17:4
Yet he himself accuseth himself saying, No man from filth; no, not though his life be but for a day.

 

Word of God:

Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.

Ecclesiastes 7:20  NIV

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1Clem 17:5
Moses was called faithful in all His house, and through his
ministration God judged Egypt with the plagues and the torments which
befell them. Howbeit he also, though greatly glorified, yet spake no
proud words, but said, when an oracle was given to him at the bush,
Who am I, that Thou sendest me?

Word of God:

Exodus, chapter 3  NIV

 

Numbers, chapter 12  NIV

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1Clem 17:6
Nay, I am feeble of speech and slow of tongue.
And again he saith,
But I am smoke from the pot.

 

Word of God:

10Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”

Exodus 4:10  NIV

 

For my days vanish like smoke; my bones burn like glowing embers.

Psalm 102:3  NIV

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1Clem 18:1
   But what must we say of David that obtained a good report? of whom
God said, I have found a man after My heart, David the son of Jesse: with eternal mercy have I anointed him.

 

Word of God:

    22After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

23“From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.

Acts 13:22-23  NIV

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1Clem 18:2
Yet he too saith unto God Have mercy upon me, O God, according to Thy great mercy; and according to the multitude of Thy compassions, blot out mine iniquity.

 

Word of God:

For the director of music. A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba. Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions.

Psalm 51:1  NIV

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~Blessings,
Mike