Robert Belanger
(10 May 2012)
"Re Frank Molver"
Frank,
The following comes close to what I had in mind when I answered
your question. I think the condition of time is the important
distinction. We may be saved but temporarily act in a carnal
manner, but not for a long time, or for a lifetime. So if we are
truly saved we will in short time repent ask forgiveness and be
forgiven.
The process of sanctification, which usually follows after being
redeemed through Jesus death and resurrection, must develop if
the new birth and the creation of a new creature in Christ is
genuine. Sanctification consists, of course, in those works the
saved person does that will receive rewards at the Judgment Seat
of Christ. Such works include praying for the sick, giving
charitably to assist the poor and needy, providing testimony of
salvation, etc. If slipping back into carnality is a constant
and repetitive failure and no works at all ever grow out of
faith in God, then the new birth may be in doubt. Only God can
make the decision about this since we do not know the inner
heart and the motivations of others as God does.
Salvation, if genuine, can never be lost. But the rewards that
can be earned by good works during the lifetime process of
sanctification can be lost, leaving the person as though saved
from a fire, with nothing but his life to show for his lifetime
as a believer--leading to the loss of entry into the kingdom of
the Father, as described in Matthew 7:21.
Your brother in Christ,
Robert
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http://www.gotquestions.org/carnal-Christian.html
Question: "What is a carnal Christian?"
Answer: Can a true Christian be carnal? In answering this
question, let’s first define the term “carnal.” The word
“carnal” is translated from the Greek word sarkikos, which
literally means “fleshly.” This descriptive word is seen in the
context of Christians in 1 Corinthians 3:1-3. In this passage,
the apostle Paul is addressing the readers as “brethren,” a term
he uses almost exclusively to refer to other Christians; he then
goes on to describe them as “carnal.” Therefore, we can conclude
that Christians can be carnal. The Bible is absolutely clear
that no one is sinless (1 John 1:8). Every time we sin, we are
acting carnally.
The key thing to understand is that while a Christian can be,
for a time, carnal, a true Christian will not remain carnal for
a lifetime. Some have abused the idea of a “carnal Christian” by
saying that it is possible for people to come to faith in Christ
and then proceed to live the rest of their lives in a completely
carnal manner, with no evidence of being born again or a new
creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). Such a concept is completely
unbiblical. James 2 makes it abundantly clear that genuine faith
will always result in good works. Ephesians 2:8-10 declares that
while we are saved by grace alone through faith alone, that
salvation will result in works. Can a Christian, in a time of
failure and/or rebellion, appear to be carnal? Yes. Will a true
Christian remain carnal? No.
Since eternal security is a fact of Scripture, even the carnal
Christian is still saved. Salvation cannot be lost, because
salvation is a gift of God that He will not take away (see John
10:28; Romans 8:37-39; 1 John 5:13). Even in 1 Corinthians 3:15;
the carnal Christian is assured of salvation: “If anyone's work
is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved,
yet so as through fire.” The question is not whether a person
who claims to be a Christian but lives carnally has lost his
salvation, but whether that person was truly saved in the first
place (1 John 2:19).
Christians who become carnal in their behavior can expect God to
lovingly discipline them (Hebrews 12:5-11) so they can be
restored to close fellowship with Him and be trained to obey
Him. God’s desire in saving us is that we would progressively
grow closer to the image of Christ (Romans 12:1-2), becoming
increasingly spiritual and decreasingly carnal, a process known
as sanctification. Until we are delivered from our sinful flesh,
there will be outbreaks of carnality. For a genuine believer in
Christ, though, these outbreaks of carnality will be the
exception, not the rule.