David S (2 May 2012)
"re: Enoch and Elijah are dead"


Greetings!

I’m not sure who the two witnesses are but in my opinion, you haven’t made your case.

You mention Hebrew 11:13 but omitted Hebrews 11:5. It states:

 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

 

You mention the following:  

Ps 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death?


Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die (what about Lazarus?)

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die (what about you and me? I plan on being raptured…hopefully soon!)

These verses do not disqualify Enoch or Elijah from being the two witnesses since the 2 witnesses die!

You also mention that Elijah wasn’t taken to the 3rd heaven…I don’t know where exactly he was taken.  Does it matter? Even if he wasn’t taken to the 3rd heaven, it doesn’t mean God hasn’t kept him alive somewhere else. We just don’t know enough…

 

 

Peace,

Malia



 

 

 

 David Smith (30 Apr 2012)
"To Patti C. Re: The Two Witnesses + Enoch & Elijah are dead"

Greetings Patti C.,

I can’t take credit for this study but it’s been so long ago I don’t remember where I got it and there was no mention of who wrote it.

 

What about Elijah and Enoch??

Most point to Elijah and Enoch because of the myth that they never died but were translated directly to heaven. This myth makes Yahshua a liar (see Jn 3:13) and shows ignorance of the complete scriptures. They quote Mal 4:5-6 as support unaware it was fulfilled almost word for word in Lu 1:17. Hebrews chapter 11 specifically tells us Enoch and all the prophets including Elijah “all died in faith, not having received the promises) (verse 13).

Elijah was taken up into ‘shaw-mah’- yim’ (Strong’s #08065 heaven, air, sky, atmosphere, etc.) but not into the third heaven mentioned by Paul where Yahweh and the angles are. Elisha reluctantly sent out a search party “lest perhaps the Spirit of Yahweh has taken him up and cast him upon some mountain or into some valley." Elijah was transported by God just as Phillip was in Acts 8:39. Several years later Elijah (his location is not given) wrote a letter (2Chr 21:12-15), the contents showing it was written after the events had transpired and before the plague struck.

Ps 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death?
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die

Because God didn’t include all the details with Enoch and Elijah it opens it up to speculators with private interpretations who ignore the scriptures which debunk their theories.

Shalom,
David