Michael Colunga (9 March 2013)
"Psalm 119:89--an answer to Chondra M."
 
Hello, John and Doves,
 
 
As far as the words and meaning of Holy Scripture go,
it is written,
    "Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven."
 
Concerning the utility of the Word of God given to man,
it is written,
    7"The law of the Lord is perfect,

reviving the soul.

The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,

making wise the simple.

8The precepts of the Lord are right,

giving joy to the heart.

The commands of the Lord are radiant,

giving light to the eyes.

9The fear of the Lord is pure,

enduring forever.

The ordinances of the Lord are sure

and altogether righteous.

10They are more precious than gold,

than much pure gold;

they are sweeter than honey,

than honey from the comb.

11By them is your servant warned;

in keeping them there is great reward.

Psalm 19:7-11  NIV

Concerning those who look at the New Testament and say, "It's Greek to me,"

it is written,

    "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."

John 16:13  NIV

And, Chondra, as you seek the in-filling of the Holy Spirit,

day-by-day and moment-by-moment,

you will live out the following verse:

    "But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ."

1 John 2:27  NLT

 Armed with that knowledge, pray and seek the LORD, and see what He says!

[A start:  http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=886722&cmd=show]

It is written,

    "It is God's privilege to conceal things and the king's privilege to discover them."

Proverbs 25:2  NLT

And it is written,

    "Indeed, the Sovereign LORD never does anything until he reveals his plans to his servants the prophets."

Amos 3:7  NLT

Moreover:

    "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law."

Deuteronomy 29:29  NIV

Something to think about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS7YNNVVIJE

~Blessings,

Mike

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Chondra M (4 March 2013)
"RE: Is English Translation (Bible) Wrong or Correct?"

RE: Is English Translation (Bible) Wrong or Correct?

 

If translation into English is wrong or misunderstood regarding the term apostasy… then doesn’t it make sense other words are also translated incorrectly to English? Why just this one word (apostasy)?  Would God allow that to happen for hundreds of years, for His word to be mistranslated?  If we say a “prophet” of God has to be 100% correct, 100% of the time, why do we not demand this from our own (translated) Bible or is it already correct?

 

Look at all these English translations of apostasy from 2Thess2:

 

NIV- until the rebellion occurs

ESV- the rebellion comes first

NET- until the rebellion comes 

NCV- until the turning away[a] from God happens 

KJV-  come a falling away first

Expanded Bible- until the turning away from God

ESV (anglicized)- unless the rebellion comes first

DARBY-  unless the apostasy have first come

1599 GENEVA- except there come a departing first

ORTHODOX JEWISH BIBLE (geepers—coping the whole verse, I added nothing to this): Let no one in any way lead you astray, because, unless the Merid (Rebellion, Revolt, the [Anti-Moshiach] Shmad Betrayal Defection of Apostasy, the Azivah Abandonment) Desertion comes rishonah (first), and the Apocalypse of the Ish HaMufkarut (Man of Lawlessness), the Ish HaChatta’ah Ben HaAvaddon (Man of Sin, Son of Destruction Anti-Moshiach) is unveiled.

NRSV- will not come unless the rebellion comes first

YOUNG’S LITERAL- if the falling away may not come first (huh?)

WYCLIFF- For but dissension come first

 

I really need to know…is the English translation of scripture partially correct or 100% correct?

 

If Apostasy means “leaving faith” and not “Rapture” it’s a game changer in the order of  how things will play out. This wouldn’t mean there isn’t a Pre-Trib rapture but rapture isn’t “immanent”. 

 

Please help…this is driving me nuts!