David H (13 March 2013)
"Gino, deb, and others: false tribulation"


 

Thank you for the comment Gino. Please see the highlighted words in the following scriptures and you will see that God is in control.
 
 
9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 thess.2:9-12)
 
14 and by the signs that it is allowed (Didomi) to work in the presence of[d] the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. (Rev. 13:14)
 
24 For false christs and false prophets will arise  and perform (Didomi) great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)
 
Didomi is the greek word most often translated as give, or grant. Jesus, who unseals the seals gives power to those first four riders. Satan/ the dragon gives his authority to the beast. So yes your description of the sovereign will of God is correct, and Satan also has a will, but ultimately God is in control, though Satan may think he is winning the chess game.
 
Deb, and all
I originally called what the Lord revealed to me through his Word, a "false tribulation". In a sense this is what it is, but i have come to better understand it as the "end of the age of grace", and that some of these events are the actual events described in Matthew 24, and revelation. Fundamental in this understanding is that we are rescued from the wrath of God, but we will face some of those events described in both these accounts. I am not going to go into the details on this here but it has to do with how the events of revelation are ordered. I am currently working on this, and will share when the time is right.  
 
A friend of mine said the following, which we all must ask ourselves:
"This proposal, (if one bought into it wholeheartedly), could also mean that an individual could then deny the real Messiah, thinking that it could also be the false one."
My response to this is.
 You ask: could this be how we deny the real messiah? Does Jesus need to "declare himself God"? Does he need to be crowned King? Does he need to be ascend to his throne? Or is he the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and fully God right now? In other words, He "was, and Is, and is to come", whereas the Beast "was, is NOT, and is coming". This is the fundamental aspect to discerning this. 
 
I think this is where the heart of the deception lies. He was annointed with oil by Mary to which Judas protested. (John 12:1-8) Jesus Rode into Israel on a donkey on the 10th of Nisan, which is Palm Sunday as predicted by the prophets of the Messiah. He was rejected and killed shortly thereafter, and then resurrected, and ascended to glory. When he comes again, he will not ascend to glory, but descend from glory as fully crowned king and Messiah. He will kill the "Lawless one" (anomos) with the breath of his mouth. The nations that are gathered against him will be killed in the winepress of his wrath. In other words, will Jesus need signs and wonders to prove who he is, or will he just come, as lightning?
 
I present this before the churches, and all of you to consider, pray, and study. As Paul wrote to timothy:  "If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the Words of the faith and of the Good doctrine that you have followed. have Nothing to do with irreverent myths. rather train yourself in godliness;" (I Timothy 4:6-7) I am not trying to convince you all, but I am rather asking that you consider this and ask the Holy Spirit for understanding on this. 
 
 4 The Lord is high above all nations,
and his glory above the heavens!
5 Who is like the Lord our God,
who is seated on high,
6 who looks far down
on the heavens and the earth?
7 He raises the poor from the dust
and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
8 to make them sit with princes,
with the princes of his people.
9 He gives the barren woman a home,
making her the joyous mother of children.
Praise the Lord!
(Psalm 113)