Mike W (2
March 2012)
"response to Josh
List(IMPORTANT)"
Hi Josh
I was not trying to upset you but I was trying to show you what
the Bible says. It really does not matter what you or I "think"
it only matters what God says.But based on your comments you
make it sound like you are striving daily to "earn" your
salvation. This is what you said yesterday in your last sentence
to me "Make your election sure. Our souls are worth too
much!".
Based on that one statement and you telling me that you do not
believe in once saved always saved then I see that as a problem.
I only post because I care about how satan has gotten into the
churches and has and is trying to destroy the simple plan of
salvation.
You tell me. If someone says Hey Josh you are not suppose to be
doing that if you are a Christian then the first thing you(and I
don't mean you personally) is going to think is that I better
stop doing that or I may lose my salvation. Well my gosh if I
believe I could lose my salvation I would certainly quit doing
that. I am then depending on what I do and not what Jesus did.
I have been told that I believe or have a "shallow faith"
because I believe in once saved always saved. Well to me that is
a more SOLID faith. A shallow faith would be one that believes
they must help Jesus to keep them saved or must "quit" sinning
in order to keep saved.
I will not quote all the scriptures because you know them. In
general when Paul chastised the churches it was mainly because
they were trying to bring the law back into the Gospel of Grace.
He also would tell them not to live like the world as far as the
sin goes. He wanted them to live by the Spirit. You see some
Christians still feed the old nature and not the Spirit nature.
This is a babe in Christ which is what Paul called them in
Corinthians. They were not ready for meat. They still let the
old flesh nature control them. Satan has gotten into the
churches today and has robbed the Christian of his "peace".
Please read 1 Corinthians chapter 5. A man was sleeping with his
father's wife.(step-mother) I envision Paul out somewhere
talking to someone about the Lord and that person saying "you
christians are no different that we are. You have someone
sleeping with his step mother". Paul let the Corinthian church
know not to fellowship with this christian because it brings
down the body of Christ. Notice verse 5 and I quote "HAND THIS
MAN OVER TO SATAN FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH SO THAT HIS
SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED ON THE DAY OF THE LORD"TRANSLATION NIV
This man was committing sin that, according to verse one, A KIND
THAT EVEN PAGANS DO NOT TOLERATE. Yet the Bible say to not
associate with him or send him out to the world for the
destrucion of his flesh but he is still saved!!!
If you are a christian and struggling with having that peace it
is 1 of 2 things.
1-You are committing some sin that you know is wrong and are
being chastised by the Holy Spirit directing you to stop.
or
2-You are trusting in yourself to "help to stay saved" and
losing that peace because satan has confused you.
In both situation you are still "born again" if you truly
trusted Jesus and him alone for salvation. If you have never
done that you are not born again.In the first example you are
taking your freedom and making it a stumpling block and in the
second example you have put yourself back under the law and
distorting the Gospel therefore confusing someone who may want
to be saved or confusing an already saved person.
Remember this verse that no-one can explain away that things you
need works
Romans 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but believe on him that
justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness".
Thanks
Mike W