Dear doves,
I have been contemplating a response to alot of posts over the last few weeks, and have finally gained enough confidence to put it into words. It is NOT of your conventional understanding about the rapture, but I feel that it IS Biblical and a start to the right understanding of scripture, that pertains to the all important event of the rapture.
I have prayed for discernment about this. It may not be complete or perfect, but it is important to be brought before you all for edification. Please pray to our Lord, to help make this path a straight one, and by adding your studies to this conversation.
The first place in Revelations that I see where anyone goes upward is at Revelation 11:12......And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
This is the 2 witnesses that were killed in the streets of Jerusalem. Revelations 11:8.....And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
I feel that the 2 witnesses are Elijah and Enoch and that their ministry is to the house of Judah. This will be neccesary for them to be shocked into belief about what they have to say. I also feel that their powers will be manifested to help the nation of (Israel) the house of Judah. The Jews will not turn to Jesus Christ unless it comes from supernatural human beings....such as these 2 individuals. They WILL be convinsed by 2 such people as Enoch and Elijah. This will happen before the Lord's return.
The second place in Revelations where something happens where people are going upward is at Revelation 12:5........And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The house of JUDAH brought forth Shiloh.....Genesis 49:10........The sceptr shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
This obviously has already happened, so who is 12:5...talking about? It must be talking about the remaining firstfruits to be taken in the barley harvest (rapture). Revelation 12:11......And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. I am leaning toward this being a very limitted amount of people. Could the 144,000 be part of these?
The 3rd place in Revelations where people are harvested from the earth is Revelations 14:14.......And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev. 14:15.......And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle and reap: for the time has come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
This would have to be considerred the wheat harvest, OR, the MAIN RAPTURE of the multitudes that come out of tribulation.
The forth place in Revelations where people are harvested from the earth is Revelations 14:18.......And another angel came out from the alter, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. Revelations 14: 19...........And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
This is the grape harvest. These people obviously go through a very difficult death as punishment.
Next in chapter 15:2........And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
These are obviously tribulation saints, overcomers, if you will, of the beast.
Chapter 16 begins the WRATH OF GOD. I would speculate that there is no more salvation from this point on, easy (barley), mild (wheat), or martyrdom (grape juice)
....I couldn't resist!
Well, thats all for now. What do you think?
YBIC
Mike P
I have been contemplating a response to alot of posts over the last few weeks, and have finally gained enough confidence to put it into words. It is NOT of your conventional understanding about the rapture, but I feel that it IS Biblical and a start to the right understanding of scripture, that pertains to the all important event of the rapture.
I have prayed for discernment about this. It may not be complete or perfect, but it is important to be brought before you all for edification. Please pray to our Lord, to help make this path a straight one, and by adding your studies to this conversation.
The first place in Revelations that I see where anyone goes upward is at Revelation 11:12......And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
This is the 2 witnesses that were killed in the streets of Jerusalem. Revelations 11:8.....And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
I feel that the 2 witnesses are Elijah and Enoch and that their ministry is to the house of Judah. This will be neccesary for them to be shocked into belief about what they have to say. I also feel that their powers will be manifested to help the nation of (Israel) the house of Judah. The Jews will not turn to Jesus Christ unless it comes from supernatural human beings....such as these 2 individuals. They WILL be convinsed by 2 such people as Enoch and Elijah. This will happen before the Lord's return.
The second place in Revelations where something happens where people are going upward is at Revelation 12:5........And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The house of JUDAH brought forth Shiloh.....Genesis 49:10........The sceptr shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
This obviously has already happened, so who is 12:5...talking about? It must be talking about the remaining firstfruits to be taken in the barley harvest (rapture). Revelation 12:11......And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. I am leaning toward this being a very limitted amount of people. Could the 144,000 be part of these?
The 3rd place in Revelations where people are harvested from the earth is Revelations 14:14.......And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev. 14:15.......And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle and reap: for the time has come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
This would have to be considerred the wheat harvest, OR, the MAIN RAPTURE of the multitudes that come out of tribulation.
The forth place in Revelations where people are harvested from the earth is Revelations 14:18.......And another angel came out from the alter, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. Revelations 14: 19...........And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
This is the grape harvest. These people obviously go through a very difficult death as punishment.
Next in chapter 15:2........And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
These are obviously tribulation saints, overcomers, if you will, of the beast.
Chapter 16 begins the WRATH OF GOD. I would speculate that there is no more salvation from this point on, easy (barley), mild (wheat), or martyrdom (grape juice)
....I couldn't resist! Well, thats all for now. What do you think?
YBIC
Mike P