Marilyn Agee (3 March 2012)
"Bruce Warner (1 March 2012) "SCRIPTURE 'DIS-PROVES THE PRE-TRIB' RAPTURE POSITION.......""

From: Marilyn Agee
Re: Bruce Warner (1 March 2012)
"SCRIPTURE 'DIS-PROVES THE PRE-TRIB' RAPTURE POSITION......."
 
Hi:
 
> > You, first, must accept as the truth what the Scriptures say in (Matthew 24:29) "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." and in (Mark13:24) "But in those days following that tribulation...".
> > Then they both go on to describe the Day of the Lord rapture of the Church
 
Truly, “after the tribulation” is the “Day of the Lord rapture”, but it is the Rapture of the lukewarm Laodicean Church, the foolish virgins, the 144,000 Israelites, and other Tribulation saints, the number of which is too great to count (Rev 7:9). It is the Last-Trump Rapture that takes place on the Day of God’s Wrath (Rev 6:17). The Rapture of the Philadelphian Church, the First-Trump Rapture, is before that.
 
There are two trumpets. Num 10:1-4 says, “And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2  Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3  And when they shall blow with them (i.e., with them both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4  And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee. “
 
These heads of the thousands of Israel are the 24 elders, of which John is one. They are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel.
 
The way “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” is organized is given in Rev 1:19. It says, “Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the First-Trump Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the First-Trump Rapture), and the things which shall be HEREAFTER” (after the First-Trump Rapture).
 
Rev 4:1 is talking about the First-Trump Rapture. It says, “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER.”
 
John is to come up hither to Heaven. Then he is to be shown things that will happen after the First-Trump Rapture. Soon, we will see him seated with the other 23 elders in Heaven. All 24 were caught up in the First-Trump Rapture.
 
Rev 4:2-4 says, “And immediately I (John) was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3  And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (the first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (the last stone in the breastplate, therefore it is Christ, the first and the last): and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah’s stone in the breastplate, i.e., Christ is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4  And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting (all were just then caught up in the Rapture, including John), clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.“
 
How did the 12 patriarchs and the 11 apostles of Israel get to Heaven along with John? in the First-Trump Rapture, of course.
 
Who else suddenly appears in Heaven? people from all nations, not just Israel, and they sing a new song. Rev 5:9 says, “And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation”.
 
After the Last-Trump Rapture, only the 144,000 can sing the NEW SONG. Rev 14:1-5 says, “I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2  And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3  And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND (Israelites), which were redeemed from the earth. 4  These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5  And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”
 
There are different ranks in the First Resurrection (I Cor 15:23).
 
> > Revelation 7:13-15 says, "These in white robes - who are they and where did they come from ? These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple."
 
Notice the difference between the two groups that are raptured. Those in the first group do not have to wash their robes in the blood of Christ. The second group has to do it. Those in the first group become “kings and priests” (Rev 5:10). The second group is to “serve him day and night in his temple” (Rev 7:15).
 
Agape,
Marilyn Agee
 
 
 
Dear Doves,
You, first, must accept as the truth what the Scriptures say in (Matthew 24:29) "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." and in (Mark13:24) "But in those days following that tribulation..." .
Then they both go on to describe the Day of the Lord rapture of the Church in (Matthew 24:30) "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky..." and in (Mark 13:26) "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds...."
The phrase: "At that time" in (Matthew 24:30) and (Mark 13:26) both mean the rapture happens "at that time" "after" or "following" the "tribulation of those days". The phrase; "tribulation of those days" refers back to the tribulation that is described as "shortened and cut short" for the sake of the Church in (Matthew 24:21-22) and (Mark 13:20).
Then they both go on to tell us the Parable of the Fig Tree in (Matthew 24:32) and (Mark 13:28) "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." That leaves no doubt that it is the rapture of the Church that is being discussed in these previous Scriptures.
Therefore, the Scriptures tell us that the CHURCH IS RAPTURED AFTER THE TRIBULATION WHICH IS SHORTENED AND CUT SHORT for the Church only.
Now you can understand the following Scriptures:
Revelation 2:10
"....you will have tribulation ten days.....and I will give you the crown of life." (We are given "the crown of life" at the time of our rapture after "ten days tribulation".)
Revelation 7:13-15
"These in white robes - who are they and where did they come from ? These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple."
The Church, after being raptured out of the shortened and cut short great tribulation, is seen in heaven.
Revelation 7:9
"After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count from every nation, tribe, people and language standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands."
The following Scripture describes a similar great multitude with palm branches whom, after being raised from the dead first at the rapture, join the rest of the raptured Church who are the great multitude holding palm branches and standing before the throne in heaven;
John 12:12
"The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him.."
The 'pre-trib rapture position' is proven to be a fable by the Scriptures.
According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!
Bruce Warner