Mike, I was intrigued by your choice of
scripture to back up your stance - 1 Corinthians 5:5 "HAND
THIS MAN OVER TO SATAN FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH SO
THAT HIS SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED ON THE DAY OF THE LORD", so I
"Greeked" it by looking it up in Strong's, my point of
emphasis being the words, "SO THAT" [G2443).
To deliver [G3860] (5629) such an one [G5108] unto Satan
[G4567] for [G1519] the destruction [G3639] of the flesh
[G4561], that [G2443] the spirit [G4151] may be saved
[G4982] (5686) in [G1722] the day [G2250] of the Lord
[G2962] Jesus [G2424].
Lexicon Results
Strong's G2443 -
hina
ἵνα Transliteration
hina Pronunciation hē'-nä
(Key)
Root Word (Etymology) Probably
from the same as the former part of
ἑαυτοῦ
(G1438)
(through the demonstrative idea,
cf
ὁ
(G3588)
1) that, in order that,
so that
Paul
is instructing the believers at Corinth to do a specific
thing - hand this man over to Satan for the destruction
of the flesh - IN ORDER THAT his spirit may be saved on
the day of the Lord. It seems that you are reading this
differently than I am, for this says to me that they are
told to do one thing SO THAT another thing may occur -
that his spirit may be saved. I can't understand why Paul
would tell them to do this, and word it the way he did,
if another outcome were not possible - that his spirit
NOT be saved. It seems to me that your scriptural
example supports Josh's point of view rather than
yours. But you stated that "he is still
saved!!!" I don't follow your reasoning.
You also seemed to take exception to Josh
writing: "Make your election sure." You
wrote: "Based on that one statement and you
telling me that you do not believe in once saved always
saved then I see that as a problem." The phrase Josh
used is taken straight from 2 Peter 1:10-11!
"Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make
your calling and election sure. For if you do
these things, you will never fall, and you will receive
a rich welcome into the eternal the kingdom of our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ."
We are also told in Philippians 2:12 to
"continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling". Sounds like there is some kind of
effort involved here. What exactly are we to be in fear
of? Maybe God's discipline when we disobey (see Hebrews
12:5-8), or His judgment (Hebrews 10:27)?
I'm really not here to argue the relative
merits of OSAS, but to point out that there are valid
scriptural arguments to be made for the opposing view
(and you made one, unwittingly). As for myself, I do
indeed want to work out my salvation with fear and
trembling, and to make my calling and election sure.
I never, ever, want to take for granted the
sacrifice that Christ made for me, by choosing to live
selfishly, just assuming that no matter what I do, I'll
make it to heaven. That may be true, but I personally
want to "receive a rich welcome" and hear "Well done,
good and faithful servant", rather than making it in by
the skin of my teeth, as it were. And by the way, I have
total peace in the Lord, and have learned to walk with
Him, trust Him, and serve Him in faith and surrender. I
don't ever want to disappoint Him, because I love Him
more than anything!
HOWEVER, I think this whole thread is
off-topic. What was being discussed is who may or may
not go in the Rapture, not who may or may not make it to
heaven. Everyone in history has died, with only TWO
exceptions. Because being raptured without tasting death
has been an exceedingly rare event, I don't think it is
unreasonable to believe that it MAY be an experience
that is reserved for fewer believers that some think.
That's my two cents' worth.
Lydia F