K.S. Rajan (8
March 2012)
"DEBATE WITH
ATHEISTS-JOHNMCTERNAN"
Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the
common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and
exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which
was once delivered unto the saints.
Commentary
Two weeks ago, I debated two atheist brothers, Dan and Bill
Courtney from Rochester, New York. It was a lengthy debate that
covered a lot of territory. The debate is being edited for cable
TV. I will be provided a copy, which I will post on the blog.
What was interesting was the atheists rested their argument on
human reason and logic which is really all they have. It has
been a long time since I debated an atheist, as most of time is
now with Jews and Muslims in defense of the gospel. During this
debate, some things became sharp in my mind which I want to
share now.
During a break, I entered into a private discussion with Dan
Courtney that is still going through my mind. I realized for the
first time that our emotions are supernatural. Take love for
example. How do hydrogen atoms evolve into dead matter: that
than evolves into organic matter: that than evolves into love?
In other words, the universe does not love or have emotions, so
where did our emotions come from! Love is outside of atoms,
etc., as I see this beyond the natural universe.
The answer to the question is that love comes from being created
in God's image and likeness. God is in the spiritual realm, and
this is the source of love! Love transcends the material into
the spiritual realm.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
our likeness ... (27) So God created man in his own image, in
the image of God created he him; male and female created he
them.
Our emotions are not from the material universe but are derived
from another realm. How does human reason and logic go from
hydrogen atoms to love, when love is not found anywhere in the
universe? It is not really logical as science has never done
this, and it has never been observed. What it is, is just old
fashion denial of God wrapped in human reason and logic. Love
comes directly from the Creator of the universe. It really
saddens me to think that atheists actually believe that the love
of God which is in our hearts is just some form of hydrogen
atoms with really no meaning! What a depressing belief system.
1John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath
to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in
God, and God in him.
Also during this discussion with Dan Courtney, I realized for
the first time how much faith it takes to be atheist! When I
debate Muslims, that concept does not arise because the Muslims
do have faith, but now for the first time, I realized just how
much faith real atheists have!
When speaking to Dan, I showed him my watch and said if this was
found on Mars no one would think it had evolved. The watch shows
that it took an architect and engineer to build it; thus
intelligence and a creator. I then used the complexity of this
brain with billions of neurons and connections along with the
incredible complexity of his DNA! The human brain is a billion
times more complex than a watch, so it is a logical conclusion
there was an architect and engineer to build it! I also asked
him what came first the DNA or body, to which I think he
responded a body! How could there first be a body without DNA!
I realized right then just how much faith that Dan had. I told
him at this point that he had more faith than me, to believe the
incredible complex DNA and human brain evolved. It is natural to
believe in a Creator. Dan did not really respond but politely
listened. Real logic and reason drives us to a belief in the
Creator.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was
light. The last thing still going through my mind is that the
atheists really went after the idea that God created the
universe from nothing. When I mentioned God spoke the world into
existence, they said it was unreasonable to believe this. This
was early in the debate, and I really want to listen to the
debate, so I can nail down exactly what they said. Later on
during the debate, they tried to explain the existence of the
universe by saying that something can come from nothing! I am
not kidding you! There is a new theory "proving" this.
I jumped on this seeing the irony, and said that they sounded
like creationists believing that God spoke the universe into
existence by His word. They just looked at me and dropped this
argument. It seems, when a person denies the existence of God,
they will believe anything that is wrapped in science and can
explain away the Creator. It was really amazing to hear them
believe that something can come from nothing! They believe this
and that the incredibly complex mind and DNA had no creator but
happened by chance! They have more faith than me but in the
wrong area.
I came across their new theory that something came from nothing,
and look how with this bizarre theory, they attack the Lord
Jesus Christ and His dying for us!
A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than
Nothing by Lawrence A. Krauss. Notice the mocking of the Lord
Jesus Christ in yet more theories that are discarded almost as
fast as it takes to print the books!
"A fascinating antidote to outmoded philosophical and religious
thinking, A Universe from Nothing is a provocative,
game-changing entry into the debate about the existence of God
and everything that exists. “Forget Jesus,” Krauss has argued,
“the stars died so you could be born.” What a mocker. Just give
this theory a few years and it will be discarded like all the
rest.
The unifying factor for the universe is not in this realm. It is
the word of the Lord Jesus Christ from the spiritual realm that
holds this universe together.
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the
express image of his person, and upholding all things by the
word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat
down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
This universe is decaying just like a battery is running out of
power or as a piece of cloth rots. At the glorious Second Coming
of the Lord Jesus with His church, He is going to roll up this
dying, decaying universe and reveal His new one that is not
subject to decay! This current universe is temporary, but the
Lord Jesus Christ is forever!!!
Hebrews 1:10-13 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the
foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine
hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them
up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy
years shall not fail.