Kevin,

 

 

Having come down this week with whatever winter malady is going around I have had the opportunity to do some extra reading and thinking.

 

Know that I have the utmost respect for you..... but I find myself confused with your stance on the identity of the antichrist. So I decided to read prior articles that you have written in an effort to understand what led to your conclusions.

 

Let me say from the onset after reading your material that I was very impressed. Your research, focus and almost endless details on the material concerning Barak Hussein Obama was outstanding and seemed truly inspired by God to identify or put a face on the beast we find in Revelation 13. God tells us that if we ask for wisdom concerning a certain topic that He will share that wisdom with us.......as He did with you in your research.

 

As you well know God offers us a challenge in Rev.13:18 for those of us who "have wisdom" to determine who this beast is. God gives us the famous value of 666 as the main clue as to the identity of this beast. You took that number and built an airtight case (in my opinion) as to the identity of the beast in Rev.13. Your conclusions that this beast will be BHO are in my mind totally correct and accurate. But I truly believe you have made your case for the wrong beast.

 

Let me explain.........In Revelation 13 God dedicates "exclusively" the first eight verses of the chapter to the first beast who we call the antichrist. He dedicates "exclusively" the last eight verses of the chapter to the second beast who we call the false prophet. Lets examine those last eight verses that describe the second beast who comes from the earth.

 

 

11..Then I saw another beast (second beast) coming up out of the earth, and he (second beast) had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

 

12..And he (second beast) exercises all the authority of the first beast in his (first beast) presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

 

13..He (second beast) performs great signs, so that he (second beast) even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

 

14..And he (second beast) deceives those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast (first beast) who was wounded by the sword and lived.

 

15.. He (second beast) was granted power to give breath to the image of the (first) beast, that the image of the (first) beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the (first) beast to be killed.

 

16..He (second beast) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads...

 

17..and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the (first) beast, or the number of his (first beast) name.

 

18..Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the (second beast) beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

 

There is no doubt in my mind after examining these last eight verses (that God dedicated to identity the second beast) that you have absolutely determined the identity of the false prophet and not the antichrist.  The false prophet as you have proven to me through your research will be Barack Obama. That being said lets look back at those last eight verses to see if there is anything that would prevent Obama from being the second beast and look to why Obama is the false prophet and not the antichrist.

 

Verse 11 says that he comes from the earth as opposed to the bottomless pit where the antichrist comes from. He speaks like a dragon and has two horns as a lamb. Obama is present here on earth so he comes from the earth. He is a great orator so he could very well 'pied piper' the world when the time comes for him to be center stage. Does he have two horns as a lamb? Obama has two large bizarre scars behind his ears. What was removed or operated on in this area of his body in the past? Could it have been horned appendages?

 

Or lets take another approach, Islam is waiting for their Mahdi to re-appear from the earth having been lost down a well in the ninth century. Islam has two branches or horns Shiite and Sunni. Maybe Obama will claim to be their lost Mahdi and unite the two horns of Islam. Obama has no absolute tangible past.... as per hundreds of professional researchers. He just seems to have appeared on the world stage from nowhere. Has he a case or will he build a case for himself that he is the lost prophet of Islam who will unite the two horns of Islam under his tutelage as the Madhi or the Twelfth Imam?

 

Verse 12 says that this second beast will exercise authority but only in the presence of the first beast (who gets his power from Satan himself). This second beast causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, the antichrist. Obama could certainly fulfill this verse. After the rapture (which I believe is some time this spring) Obama will have no trouble consolidating his dictatorship over the United States. The righteous element of society will have been removed and he using the U.S. military and the powers of Satan (Eph.6:12) will have little opposition being the "enforcer" for the antichrist throughout the world.

 

Verse 13 says that the second beast performs great signs, and makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. Obama would have no trouble doing this because we learned in verse 12 that it's really Satan pulling off the amazing stunts.

 

Verse 14 says the second beast will deceive earths population by the signs that will be granted for him to perform but only if he is in the presence of the first beast who is indwelled by Satan. The second beast tells the people on earth to build a statue commemorating the first beast the antichrist.

Obama would have no problem fulfilling this verse.

 

Verse 15 says the second beast was granted power to give breath to the image of the antichrist so that the image would speak. And the second beast was given authority to kill all those who would not worship the talking life-like image of the antichrist. Obama with the full power of the U.S. and Islam behind him will have no problem enforcing death penalties on those who will not worship the image or statue of the antichrist.

 

Verse 16 says that the second beast will force all (with no exceptions) to receive a mark on their right hand or forehead. Again with the power structure Obama will have at his disposal he will have no problem fulfilling verse 16.

 

Verse 17 says that no one will be able to buy or sell except those who take the mark, name or number of the first beast the antichrist. Obama will be able to enforce these mandates and fulfill this verse.

 

Verse 18  In verse 18 God extends a challenge for those who have wisdom. God has just given seven verses describing the second beast and he challenges those who have wisdom or mathematical skills to calculate, reveal or disclose who this second beast is. God says that he gives us the number of this man. The second beast is a man, NOT a spirit being as is the first beast the antichrist who rises from the bottomless pit. And the number of this man (this second beast) who God just gave the seven prior verses describing is 666.

 

Verse 18 is the verse that trips up so many people who think it applies to the antichrist when it really describes the second beast the false prophet.

 

Verse 18 is like the conclusion to the story God just portrayed in the previous verses. God has not changed the subject matter and reverted back to the first beast, He is concluding His remarks about the second beast.

 

God outlined all the characteristics and happenings of the second beast in verse 11-18 and then in verse 18 challenged us to see if we could identify the second beast from what He had just told us. God said that this beast would be a man who would come from the earth. He would have great oratory skills. He would have two literal or figurative horns or maybe he would have both figurative and literal horns as I described above. He would act in concert with the antichrist with an iron fist to rule the world. And for the mathematicians and researchers out there a number would define him and that number is 666. This number has been revealed to identify BHO.

 

With what the bible says about the first beast in Rev. 13 and 17 Obama could not possibly be the antichrist but he is a shoe-in for the false prophet.

 

Kevin, if you can find where I am wrong here scripturally....... please point out my error.

 

Blessings Kevin...... and to the many others who have dedicated countless hours to God's challenge in Rev.13:18

     John B

 

P.S.

 On numerous occasions I have written that an image of a dead pope will arise from the bottomless pit be indwelled by Satan and assume the role of the antichrist and then after 42 months will declare himself to be the true God of the universe. His headquarters will be in Rome, the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church who has already broken the world into the ten end time kingdoms.

 

I found this article last week to additionally fortify my stance on the the RCC being involved with the one world religion. I think after you read it you will see that yet another important piece of the end time puzzle has been put in place.

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/second-vatican-state-to-be-established-in-jerusalem/

 

 

 

 

 

-------Old post concerning the identity of the antichrist-----

   

 

It's funny how many different ways people can interpret the verses of Rev.17 the ones you printed below. My interpretation is obviously different than yours. This is my view of those verses .........John who wrote the Book of Revelation is having a vision concerning the first beast the antichrist and a mysterious woman ( three different meanings for this woman) and he wrote what he saw concerning this vision. Keep in mind that he was transferred in time to a point in the future. We can tell approximately what point in the future this was by what he says in Rev.17:10 when John enters the present tense.

 

John in Rev.17 is focused on this first beast who has seven heads and ten horns and a woman with three different functions.  We know from verses 10 and 12 that the seven heads and the ten horns both represent kings. Seven kings and ten kings. The woman represents a world wide organization, a city, and a blasphemous woman aligned to this world wide organization. Rev.17:3,4,5,6,15,18, and Rev.18

 

But in order to tell you the identity of this first beast, the antichrist, John tells a bigger story about how this first beast fits into a realm of seven kings. He says......"There are seven kings. Five have fallen (died), one is (present tense, the one John is looking at), and the other (the seventh) is not yet come.  So John is focused on the sixth king as the beast.

 

In verse 8 before describing the seven kings John twice establishes that this first beast he is focused on,....... was (alive), and is not (he died), and yet is (rose from the bottomless pit). Then John tells you again in verse 11 that the beast he is focused on who was, and is not, will also be the eight king of this realm he is portraying.

 

In others words John is telling us that the sixth king of a world wide organization (who he is focused on in the present tense ) who has died, will  come up from the bottomless pit to become the eighth king of this organization. He will be the first beast, the antichrist. 

 

For even more proof and backup as to who this sixth king is, John tells us that one of the seven heads of this beast (and we know from verse 10 that means one of the seven kings) was mortally wounded but recovered from his wound. We know ourselves that this sixth king of this organization was mortally wounded by being shot and recovered from his wound.

 

It's very important to note that in this 17th chapter of Revelation John......... describes this world wide organization, where it's location would be, when it would become a kingdom, it's kings--past /present/ future, it's colors, it's world wide affiliations, a blasphemous woman aligned with this organization, a very vivid description of it's implements and daily practices and objects that define it and it's blasphemous workings. He did this in such great detail that anyone who was reading about his vision of the end times in Rev.17,18 would have absolutely no excuse in determining who this organization was, who the players are, and then who the beast would be.  He said in verse 9......"Here is the mind that has wisdom"......

 

I am sure the players are very familiar to you Kari but to those others that may be reading this ,the players are......... the Roman Catholic Church, it's popes, a false blasphemous Mary not the earthly mother of Jesus but the one the RCC concocted for their benefit, Rome, scarlet and purple the colors of it's bishops and cardinals, golden cups or chalices, and a laundry list of it's favorite trappings in Rev.18:12,13.

 

In the riddle God gave us in Rev.17 we find the sixth king or pope of a kingdom, the Vatican State in Rome established in 1929.  A pope or king who was, and is not, was wounded and recovered, who will come again to be the eighth (king) pope. And John tells us quite clearly that he will be the beast we call the antichrist. He will use his well established worldwide organization along with ten kings (ten horns) to establish a one world government and a one world religion. He will have great oratory skills and continue to push the extreme blasphemies of the RCC for 42 months Rev.13:5. Then after these 42 months he will declare himself to be god, blaspheme the true God, blaspheme the true God's name, His tabernacle and those who dwell in heaven. Rev.13:6. He will cancel the daily sacrifices (the millions of daily RCC Mass sacrifices said around the world) because he being god is now on earth and should be worshipped as such.

 

Considering all the things that are going on presently in the Middle East and around the planet and that the existing pope (king) is the seventh and he is talking about ending his reign this spring, one can only surmise that we are very close to the great rapture trumpet blowing, the great tribulation and the reign of this eight king, this terrible beast, who rises from the bottomless pit I believe in conjunction with the rapture.  Side note......There is no possible way Obama can fulfill what John the Revelator has described for us in these visions.

 

Blessings---------John B

 

 

 

 -----Another related article---------          

 

Thanks for the feedback. I will try to paint a clearer picture of the first beast we call the antichrist and in doing so hope to clear up the muddy water we have between our interpretations of Rev.13. To start with one has to read Rev.17 in concert with Rev.13 in order to see the whole picture that John the Revelator is trying to disclose to us. The attributes and descriptions of this beast are laid out between the two chapters.

 

Before going any farther I would like to present an overview of Rev. 13 and 17 as they relate to this beast. When one condenses the verses from these two chapters concerning the first beast, the anti christ, this is what one gets:

 

In the end times a spirit being rises out of the sea, rises up out of the bottomless pit, and shows up on the world stage. This spirit being is going to appear as the image of a famous well known king who had been alive but died. While this king was alive he was mortally wounded but recovered from this wound. This king was one of seven kings and will, after he reappears, be the eighth king of a world wide kingdom organization controlling peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues. Satan himself will give this risen king his power, throne and authority and the whole world will marvel at this king who was, and is not, and yet is.This risen king will have unbelievable oratory skills speaking great things and blasphemies and will be given authority to do so for forty two months. Then going forward after these forty two months he will declare that he is god, blaspheming the true God, God's holy name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. This risen king will make war with the saints and overcome them. All authority over every tribe, tongue and nation will be given to this risen king. The whole world will worship this king except those whose names are written in the Book of Life of the Lamb.

 

 

Remember the old board game called "Clue" where you had to work backwards after viewing all the clues you were given to try to establish who the murderer was? Let's see if we can work backwards viewing all the clues John the Revelator gave us in Rev.13,17,18 and see if we can put a face on this mass murderer to come, this first beast we call the antichrist.

 

Clue #1   Organization

This beast is directly affiliated with a world wide organization that represents peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues. This organization or it's members are arrayed or known for two colors in particular purple and scarlet. This organization is known for it's golden cup or chalices. This organization was know for murder or martyring of millions of Jews and millions of true believers in Jesus. This organization has it's headquarters in a city built on seven mountains or seven hills. This organization glorified itself and lived luxuriously. The kings of the earth committed fornication with this organization. This organization adorned itself with gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble, and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots,and bodies and souls of men.

 

Clue#2   Blasphemy

This organization that the beast is affiliated with, as per John, is accused of multiple forms of blasphemy. John says that the kings of this organization or the heads of this organization will have a title that is blasphemous. And indeed, they are called "The Vicars of Christ on Earth"  literally meaning Christ's direct substitute on earth being infallible in whatever they may edict ,which is complete blasphemy.This organization had a woman affiliated with it that "was full of names of blasphemy". This woman's blasphemous names included Queen of Heaven, Co-Redeemer with Christ, Sinless, Immaculately concepted, Omnipotent with the Trinity, Mediatrix, Assumption to heaven without dying, along with many other titles that are pure blasphemy.

 

 

Clue #3   Kings and Kingdoms

This organization became it's own kingdom or country in 1929. Prior to that it was not a country and it's leaders could not be called kings. But now that it is it's own country the leader is a king. Since the establishment of this country it has had seven kings. One of these seven kings, the one John the Revelator was focused on and was describing was shot and was mortally wounded but he recovered from his wound. He was the sixth king and John says that he will also be the eighth king, the beast, (the antichrist) and will go to perdition.( damnation, hell)

 

 

I'll let you solve the riddle God gave us in Rev.17 from the above clues and information and put a face on this first beast that we call the antichrist.

 

There is no one alive on the world stage that can fulfill the attributes, and descriptions John gave us in Revelation that will qualify them to be the first beast, the antichrist. I believe the wound has already been inflicted and the dye cast as to this beast that will arise from the bottomless pit to completely and utterly mesmerize and deceive the planet. We won't be here but untold millions will fall to his smoke and mirrors.

 

Blessings.........John B 

(former member of said organization.........praise the Lord, He removed the scales from my eyes and gave me the inside scoop)

 

P.S.--It wasn't until I wrote this tonight that I made the connection as to where I now believe the bottomless pit is, somewhere under the ocean. When John describes this first beast in Rev.13 he says he comes from the sea. And in Rev. 17 John says that this same beast comes from the bottomless pit so combining the two we can