Brother Michael, John & Doves,Michael, thanks for your response http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2012/michaelc320-3.htm (in full below). I do appreciate your being most respectful. My post was an opinion only and was, as stated, to simply show some interesting dates. They are probably academic for many readers here. In that same attitude of respect to you and all Doves, I did not focus on 10 Tishri, Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur in my post.You asked:>>>"Have you not read,"And [this] shall be a statute for ever unto you: [that] in the seventh month, on the tenth [day] of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, [whether it be] one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
"For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.
"It [shall be] a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever."
Leviticus 16:29-31 KJV
Yes. I know the above passage refers to 10 Tishri, Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, the Seventh Month. - and forever. Israel will afflict their souls forever on this date - it will not be changed - not even on Sept 23 2015, 10 Tishri.
The verse I referenced is:
Zechariah 8:19 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The fast of the fourth [month], and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace.
The Fast of the Fourth Month is 17 Tamuz and the Fast of the Seventh Month is the Fast of Gedaliah observed 3 Tishri (link below) - not 10 Tishri. I believe all four of these fasts (Zech 8:9) will be turned into cheerful feasts, not just one of them but all four of them. The Sages understanding of this passage agree (link below).
http://www.ou.org/yerushalayim/17betammuz/
>>> The Fast of the Fourth Month
The Mishna in Ta'anit 4:8 associates the 17th of Tammuz as the "Fast of the Fourth Month" mentioned by the prophet Zechariah. According to this Mishna, the 17th of Tammuz will be transformed in the messianic era in a day that "shall be joy to the House of Judah" full of "gladness and cheerful feasts".
Customs
The fast of the 17th of Tammuz is observed from the break of dawn until night (as defined by halacha), one of four Jewish fasts to be observed in this manner - 3 Tishrei, 10 Tevet, 13 Adar and 17 of Tammuz.
(10 Tishri is not mentioned in this verse)
The Fast of the 7th month (to be changed) is The Fast of Gedaliah,(Tishri 3) and is not the same as (Tishri 10) Day of Atonement which shall remain forever (Lev 16:29-31). The Fast of Gedaliah can be changed but not the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur.
http://www.ou.org/chagim/tzomgedaliah/Default.htm
>>>Tzom Gedaliah (Fast of Gedaliah) is an annual fast day instituted by the Jewish Sages to commemorate the assassination of Gedaliah Ben Achikam, the Governor of Israel during the days of Nebuchadnetzar King of Babylonia. As a result of Gedaliah's death the final vestiges of Judean autonomy after the Babylonian conquest were destroyed, many thousands of Jews were slain, and the remaining Jews were driven into final exile.
The fast is observed on the day immediately following Rosh Hashanah, the third of Tishrei. In the Prophetic Writings this fast is called 'The Fast of the Seventh' in allusion to Tishrei, the seventh month.
There is a series of FOUR Biblical dates derived by using prophetic day-counts of 1260 and 2520.
10-11 Nisan 2012
1 Tishri 2015 FOT (Solar Eclipse in Leo on Eve FOT 9-13-2015 / Trumpets 9-14/15-2015)
10 Av 2022
17 Tamuz 2029
We are within 2 weeks of 10-11 Nisan / April 2-3 2012.
Though I have not, and will not, claim the statement I overheard on 9-29-2003 to be pure prophecy; it was on the Fast of Gedaliah 2003 which also fell on Michaelmas 2003. There was one "letter" (e or t) which took me about six and 1/2 years to understand.
After 6 1/2 years, I understood this statement to be:
"You have nine t-days to close on your house".
T Days are Tav Days with T representing the cross, i.e. these are "cross days". Though much debated, I believe "the cross date" was April 3, 33AD Julian. The ninth "4-3" after 9-29-2003 will be April 3, 2012. The Julian and the calculated Gregorian were out of sync by 2 days. This means on our Gregorian extended backwards, the cross date was April 1, 33 Gregorian. This is a small window of April 1 to April 3 2012. This will be 9-11 Nisan.
This is not written in stone but the best watch window I have is April 1-3 2012.
Michael, you also wrote:
>>> In fact, since Yeshua's feet are due on the Mount of Olives [Zech. 14:4]--which will then turn into the Hills of Bether [Songs 2:17], between which will lie the Valley of Decision [Joel 3:14]--on 10 Tishrei 5776 (September 23, 2015), Yom Kippur will at that time see mourning turn to rejoicing, as Israel's Promised Messiah, Jesus, returns to the Earth. End of story.
I respectfully don't think so. You indicate 10 Tishri will be changed to rejoicing. Are you not confusing the Fast of Gedaliah 3 Tishri (to be changed - fast of the 7th month) with the (forever) 7th Month Day of Atonement Fast, 10 Tishri? The Gedaliah Fast is generally unknown to Gentiles. Many people believe Messiah will return first to Judah in diaspora in Moab / Petra / the wilderness and mountains thereof - not to Mount Olives first. This should happen on Feast of Trumpets the next in order Feast to be fulfilled.
Forever is a long time. "......It [shall be] a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever." Leviticus 16:29-31 KJV
As such, The Fast of Gedaliah (3 Tishri / fast of the 4th month) can be changed but the 10th of Tishri, Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur will remain the same forever.
Please don't construe the accents/colors etc as disrepect. It helps me (and all of us) visualize key words and phrases.
Again April 1-3 2012 is only 2 weeks. The rest of it may be academic.
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Michael Colunga (20 March 2012)
"RE: Doug Corley--"Daniel's 70th Week""
Hello, John and Doves,
Hello, Doug. I hesitate to say, "Brother Doug," because you confuse Tammuz 17, a tradition of men,
with the clear instruction of scripture.
Have you not read,
"And [this] shall be a statute for ever unto you: [that] in the seventh month, on the tenth [day] of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, [whether it be] one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
"For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.
"It [shall be] a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever."
Leviticus 16:29-31 KJV
As Wendy said to Peter, "Forever is a long time."--Peter Pan, James Barrie, auth.
Clearly, Moshe is talking about Yom Kippur.
In fact, since Yeshua's feet are due on the Mount of Olives [Zech. 14:4]--which will then turn into the Hills of Bether [Songs 2:17], between which will lie the Valley of Decision [Joel 3:14]--on 10 Tishrei 5776 (September 23, 2015), Yom Kippur will at that time see mourning turn to rejoicing, as Israel's Promised Messiah, Jesus, returns to the Earth. End of story.
Baruch HaShem Yeshua Ha Mashiach,
Mike C.
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Doug Corley (19 March 2012)
"Daniel's 70th Week"
John and Doves:
I mean no offense to any brother or sister in the Lord but I wish to make my position crystal-clear on one issue.
Daniel splits the 70 weeks into 62 weeks - 7 weeks - and 1 week.
THERE WILL BE NO OVERLAP OF THESE WEEKS. If we use the time-frame of June 7, 1967 to Sept 23, 2015 (I prefer 9-13/15-2015 - Feast of Trumpets) THESE ARE THE 7 WEEKS (49 years). This 7 weeks (49 years) CANNOT and WILL NOT overlap with the 70th week (7 years). It cannot be and is totally illogical. We are in the last 7 years before Jesus comes but we are not in the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week is yet future and can be INSIDE the day of the Lord and can overlap with the Day of God's Wrath - perhaps the first 7 years of the 1000 years - Day of the Lord.
That 70th week (7 years) is to seal up the vision and prophecy and bring in everlasting righteousness. IF Daniel's 70th week ends Sept 2015 as some suppose, how is that possible? The 2 witness have just been KILLED and the LORD is furious. Will the world nations be living in righteousness at that time? No. They must be subdued during the Day of God's Wrath beginning FOT 2015. It takes time to teach righteousness and people learn at different rates. People learn righteousness when the judgments of God are in the earth.
It took Israel at least 7 years to subdue the land. Actually, God subdued the land little by little before them.
Exodus 23:29,30 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee. 30) By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.
I suggest the same will happen beginning in 2015 when, I believe, Daniel's 70th week begins. God doesn't get in a hurry in spite of our microwave mentality - we want it "now". This reasoning, logical or otherwise, produces some Biblical dates which we have NOT considered.
Cutting through the chase -
If we add 7 prophetic years to Feast of Trumpets 2015, we get 10th Av 2022, August 7, 2022.
Now consider this:
Job 11:6 And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that [they are] double to that which is! Know therefore that God exacteth of thee [less] than thine iniquity [deserveth].
This brings into question either 7 years or 14 years?
If we add 14 prophetic years to FOT 2015, we get 17-18 Tamuz (to be observed in 2022 on the 18th as the 17th falls on the Sabbath).
Or - for visualization:
10th Av - 2022 (end of Daniel's 70th week August 7, 2022)
or if doubled:
Fast of 4th Month - 17 Tamuz - 2029
10th Av - Both temples burned or were burning as well as the bad spy's report etc.
17 Tamuz is historically a calamitous day (events not shown to keep this short) in Jewish History but Zech 8:9 specifically states this day of MOURNING will be turned into a day of JOY.
Zech 8:19 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The fast of the fourth [month] (17 Tamuz), and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace.
At some point, something MUST happen on 17 Tamuz to justify this day of mourning being changed to a feast of Joy and Gladness.
To sum this up:
I think Daniel's 70th week ends on 10th Av August 7, 2022. IF doubled, as per Job (if applicable?) it may extend out to 17 Tamuz 2029. Either way, The 10th Av & 17 Tamuz are Jewish Biblical dates of great importance.
August 7, 2022 can be written as 8-7-22 or simply 8722. Only one verse in text carries this SUM Gematria.
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh
Though it would be highly debated by some - considering we are in the (Daniel's 7 weeks) 49 years between June 1967 and Sept 2015: there are still 3.5 years in these 49 years. This means, imho, we are in year 46 of these 49 years. If we add the 70th week of 7 years to these 3.5 years - we have 10.5 years until 10th Av 2022 - end of Daniel's 70th week. Ten days/years(?) trib?
God does not get in a hurry and IT DID TAKE YEARS (by choice) for him to subdue the land before Israel.
Please do not let these far-off dates discourage you. Even the year 2029 is only 17 years from now but this DO NOT and I say again -
THIS DO NOT lessen the importance of April 1-3 2012, ie. 9-11 Nisan 2012 - The 'greater' 9-11 - a mere two weeks from this posting date.
The ONLY purpose of this post is to show you the possible date for the end of Daniel's 70th week. This is not written in stone but is only my opinion.
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