Alan T (8
March 2012)
"Frank Molver Re: "
The trap of the left behind ""
Frank and Doves,
This will be my last response on this matter. I can see that
those that believe like me are highly outnumbered here, and this
is something that will never truly be explored until we reach
heaven ( unless we are left behind and have to go through the
tribulation, which makes sense, but is it really true if
one is truly born again ? )
Frank says anyone who commits willful sin will be
left behind and not make the rapture. So you are saying that
born again believers /members of Christ's body, the church only
have forgiveness of past sins ? Paul by The Holy Ghost
says that we have redemption through the blood by the faith OF
Christ. Sounds final and non- remittable to me. So since the New
Testament apparently contradicts itself( or God does), then you
are saying that the Apostle Paul and the Holy Ghost LIED about
us being saved by grace through faith, and it is really by being
good enough and not sinning PERIOD after you have the new life
of the Spirit..huh ?
Ecc. 7: 20 " For there is not a just man upon the earth,
that doeth good, and sinneth not." Frank has just disqualified
everyone from the Rapture. Congratulations ! And they
didn't even look at any pornography, or live a sinful lifestyle.
I Jn. 5 : 18 " We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth
not".. . But we just saw that everyone sins, according to the
word. Is God lying ? Or contradicting Himself ? Has any
Christian here ever looked upon the opposite sex and coveted
them ? Then you have committed covetousness, idolatry, and
adultery, according to Jesus. Have you ever dwelled upon a
Superbowl game, or had a classic car, motorcycle or truck that
you could not take your eyes off of ? You are guilty of idolatry
and having a god before God. No problem right, you just hit your
knees and repent of everything and you're forgiven.
But what if it's something you did that you can't
remember ? That's O.K., you just blanket your confession to "
include all"..until you go back to Walmart and see that girl
again..oops !
The explanation for contradictions in the bible are
such:
A) God is transitioning from one requirement for
salvation( faith in Christ + works meet for repentance) -
to another - ( grace through the faith OF Christ ).
B ) There are no contradictions, no spiritualizing, just a
literal interpretation. If your theology does not account for
the contradictions, then your understanding is flawed and your
belief system is counter to the scriptures.
C )If your beliefs, doctrine and theology contradicts what your
Apostle is teaching you ( Paul, if you didn't know already),
then you are reading someone else's mail and committing despite
to the grace of God by teaching heresy and telling everyone they
are lost if they sin..99.9 % of the not- to be-raptured saints
with non- repented forgotten sin thank you for the uplifting
moral boost.
D)Prophecy confusion. Eschatologists have no problem believing
that un-fulfilled future prophecy has yet to be fulfilled, but
they cannot believe that salvation will be according to Jewish
Apostle's doctrine during a time of God Focusing on the Jews
pertaining to a Jewish King and a Kingdom...who-da-thunk ?
E) Wrong Bible. If your doctrine only fits your bible, but
not eternal security, then you are using a corrupted
bible..sorry. Would you rather be lied to ?
F ) Failed. You have failed to discern what Paul is saying in
his Epistles and who he is speaking to. He said those who commit
some sins will not enter in. If the warning was for the unsaved,
then grace may be applicable. If it is to the Church, then the
transition to Total redemption and Sealed by the Spirit is not
yet complete..pay attention to the contexts ! This grace was
transitional, as a courtesy to not offend the Jews ! They were
not cut off in a moment !
G) Know your bible ! If it makes no sense, try a different one.
All the cross references should check out. (KJV checks out )
I support righteous living and sinlessness. To say that we do
not sin, or that a person will not make the rapture because of
sin is unrealistic. As long as we are in this flesh we will sin.
Those in the tribulation will be lost if they persist in
un-repentant or persistent sin. The bible bears this out. Right
doctrine, wrong dispensation.
A person in this dispensation of grace can be saved at 5
years old, go about their life for 20 years, and hear the word
and become re-filled and aware that they were always saved
for all those years and did not know it nor remember at the
time. I have seen it, and it is witnessed and verified.
But Frank says we can fall away and miss the rapture..I got an
idea ! Do your best to pray , confess, do not pre-meditate to
sin, read your bible and trust The Lord. It is not all on you ,
as some would have you believe. Rightly divide and don't wring
your hands over someone else's readiness doctrine. Jesus said He
came to bring a sword, and will rule in the Millennium
with a rod of Iron. Someone saved in the trib. will have to
become ready to obey and be ruled by a righteous King. Quitting
is not an option.Many will fall away. Sign and wonders will
follow those who OBEY and BELIEVE. Those rebels in the
Millennium will have their land and nations cursed for rejecting
The Son's Sovereignty. Many mortals in the millennium will rebel
and be destroyed after the thousand years is complete. This is
serious ! Don't be beaten up by doctrine that applies after we
are gone.
God Bless,
Alan T