Donna Danna (7 Mar 2021)
"REPLY TO JOHN B. -- Your Roadmap of the Future ... the Rapture Story that You Told Us Doesn't Sound Logical To Me"


In reply to your post called "Here's Your Roadmap Of The Future...The Rapture Story That You Were Never Told" at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2021/johnb228.htm I have some questions which I  hope you can answer.

When "heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places" in Rev.6:14, did you ever think of the possibility that this might be a poleshift?

Where in Rev. 6 does it say "the wrath of God the Father & Jesus starts when the kingdom is located here" which is what you said in the last paragraph of your post?  It doesn't say that in my KJV copy of the Bible.  As for God who you say closes/removes/ destroys heaven and moves His kingdom to Earth, did you forget Rev. 15 &16 where the vials of God's wrath are poured out on the Earth by 7 angels that come out of the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven so heaven isn't destroyed, removed or closed during the wrath of God being poured out from the 7 vials by the 7 angels.  Also Rev. 21:1 says, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea".  Rev. 21:2, " And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."  The wrath of God is poured out on the first earth which later passes away and not on the new earth.  The kingdom of God is set up on the new earth and New Jerusalem is either located on the new Earth or it is the sky above the new Earth.

As for men hiding in dens and in the rocks of the mountains from the face of Him that sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, it doesn't necessarily mean that God, the Father, is sitting on His throne inside New Jerusalem which you believe has landed on the image of the beast and New Jerusalem is now occupying 1500 square feet of land including the city of Jerusalem.   If you read Ezekiel 1:26-28, the appearance of the Lord and His glory is as a man sitting a throne above the firmament which may possibly be above the men's heads who are hiding from Him.

Also the Great Tribulation of 1,260 days is at the end of the 7 year period and Jesus is not supposed to be on Earth during that time so why would He locate His kingdom on Earth where He is not going to be?  I know that He will not be here because of what Matt. 24:21-29 says.  Verses 21 & 22 says, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, not ever shall be.  And except those days be shortened, there should be no flesh saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Then Matt. 24:23 says, "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not" which means Jesus Christ is not supposed to be here on Earth during the great tribulation which would include the wrath of God in the 1260 remaining days before the end.  Matt. 24:26 also says, "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold he is in the chambers; believe it not."

You also stated that "Daniel says, when one sees this statue (abomination of desolation or image of the beast) in Jerusalem, there will be 1290 days remaining ....obviously referring to the remaining time in the 7 year tribulation period." However, you also stated that "This firm time marker by Daniel puts the erection of the image of the beast in Jerusalem and then it's destruction by God the Father (dropping the New Jerusalem complex on it) at 30 days before the midpoint of the 7 year period (when you do the math) (2 x 126) days periods totaling 7 years.  1290 days before the end would be 30 days prior to the midpoint of the tribulation."  So do you mean to say that the image of the beast is erected and destroyed on the same day which is the 1290th day before the end of the 7 year period which is what it sounds like to me from your explanation????  If that is the case, when would people taking the mark of the beast have a chance to worship the image of the beast that would be erected and destroyed on the exact same day?  How would the people in Judea seeing the image of the beast being erected have time to flee 1500 miles if on the same day the New Jerusalem complex of 1500 square miles landed on top of the image of the beast?  You also stated that "It appears the groom (Jesus) will then take us to a place of safety (a honeymoon perhaps) for the remainder of the tribulation period or approximately 1290 days." Why would the Lord set up His kingdom on Earth on the 1290th day before the end of the 7 year tribulation period on the same day that He takes us believers somewhere else for safety and on the same day that the image of the beast is destroyed by New Jerusalem landing on it?   The wrath of God does not begin until somewhere at the end of the 7 year period, but you claimed the wrath of God the Father & Jesus starts when the kingdom is located here which you claim will be on the 1290th day before the 7 yr. tribulation period ends."

Why do you think that the dead in Christ and the alive in Christ have to immerse themselves within a river of living waters flowing out of Jerusalem to remove all corruption from them and qualify them for immortality? 1 John 1:;7 says "the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" and verse 9 says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."  Believers need no other cleansing than that to qualify for immortality.  1 Corinthians 15:52-54 says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." The dead souls in Christ are with Christ in heaven right now in spirit form, and He brings them with Him in spirit form back to the Earth to be reunited with their physically dead body in their graves when He descends from heaven with a shout so that they can be raised from the dead in an incorruptible, immortal body as the dead rise first. This is a spiritual body like Christ's own.  So they are resurrected and rise up into the air before the alive in Christ join them in the clouds in the air in their immortal, incorruptible bodies. 

A believer is not reborn immersed in the waters flowing out of Jerusalem as you claim. John 3:5-6,  "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."  What water and what Spirit you ask? I think it refers to Ephesians 5:26-27, "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." We are born again by the Holy Spirit's work in our lives.  "Born again" means a spiritual rebirth and regeneration of the human spirit by the Holy Spirit which happens while a believer is alive, and not after they die and are resurrected.  They are born first in the flesh, and born again in the spirit with the help of the Holy Spirit.  Then later the dead in Christ are raised from the dead or resurrected into a spiritual body that is incorruptible and immortal.  Those believers who are alive who were already "born again" are also changed so that they now have a spiritual body that is incorruptible and immortal.  It means that the Lord changes our DNA from corruptible to incorruptible and from mortal into immortal that can never die.