John B.,

I'm not here to debate whether a Pre-Tribulation rapture or if a Pre-Wrath rapture is correct because I can see the possibility of both happening. Where I don't agree with is your saying that heaven is closed, & that the physical kingdom of God is set up on Earth at that point in time before the wrath of God is poured out on the Earth.

The Lord doesn't need to land New Jerusalem on the image of the beast in Jerusalem to set up His physical kingdom on the Earth since according to you "heaven is closed," and then take living Christians and a remnant of Jews to another place of safety to save them from the wrath of Satan.  The woman (Israel) is going to flee into the wilderness for 1,260 days to escape Satan according to Rev. 12:6 & 12:14-17.  Also before the 7th seal is opened, & before the 7 trumpets are sounded and the vials of wrath are even poured out on Earth, we see the great multitude in white robes before God's throne and before the Lamb according to the Rev. 7:9, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"  Then Rev. 7:14-15 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.  Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

According to the above verses, the great multitude in white robes serve God day and night in his temple.  They cannot be serving God inside of the city of New Jerusalem (which you say has landed on the image of the beast (statue) on the temple mount in Jerusalem) because in reference to New Jerusalem,  Rev. 21:22 says, "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."  And they won't be serving God inside the third temple on the temple mount in Jerusalem which contains the image of the beast which you stated New Jerusalem landed on.  So where is the temple that the great multitude is serving God in?  It must be the temple in heaven which is the same one mentioned in Rev. 11:19 which says, "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."  It doesn't say that the temple of God was opened in heaven but closed and relocated to Earth as you claim."  So the great multitude will be dwelling in heaven serving God in his temple there."  This is the same temple in Rev. 15:5-8 which says, "And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled."

You also stated that you think that our physical bodies and our robes need to be washed in the Lord Jesus' literal physical blood that He shed on the cross for our sins and in a pure river before our bodies can become immortal.  If you will please note that the great multitude arrived in heaven already clothed in white robes Rev. 7:9. In Rev. 7:14-15,  it says they have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb; it doesn't say they will wash their robes and make them white in the blood of the Lamb which means that they already washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb before arriving at the throne room in heaven. The robes that they defiled with sin are now white because they have repented of their sins, asked God for forgiveness, and the blood of Jesus Christ cleansed them from their sin and all unrighteousness according to 1 John 1:7 & 1:9.  This is what the Bible says, and all we need to do is believe that when God forgives our sins after we repent that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin and all unrighteousness.  It's called faith that God, the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ told the truth and will do what they said they are going to do.

So if you still believe our physical bodies and our white robes need to be washed in the Lord Jesus' literal physical blood that He shed on the cross for our sins and in a pure river before having eternal life in an immortal body, do you also believe that you need to eat the physical flesh of Jesus and drink His blood according to what the Lord Jesus said in John 6:53-58, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever."  Jesus also said in John 4:34, "Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." So with the help of the Holy Spirit who opens our spiritual eyes so that we can understand what Jesus is saying in the Bible which is the word of God which is alive to us after we are born again and Jesus is the Word according to John 1:1, we eat the flesh of Jesus as we digest the word of God, get it into our hearts, souls, and minds so that we want to do the will of God in all areas of our life rather than sin.  The Holy Spirit showed me and led me to understand that we are drinking the blood of Jesus every time we repent, confess our sins to God, He forgives us, and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin and all unrighteousness.  Rev. 1:5 also says, "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

As you know, the city of New Jerusalem is 1,500 miles long and 1,500 miles wide so if it landed on the image of the beast on the temple mount in Jerusalem before the wrath of God takes place, how would the battle of Armageddon take place in the valley of Jezreel also known as the valley of Megiddo where the beast, & the kings of the earth & their armies are gathered together to make war against the Lord Jesus at His second coming in the valley of Megiddo since it is north of Israel and city of New Jerusalem would be covering up the battle ground????  And how would the Kings of the East cross the dried up Euphrates River to get to Israel if the city of New Jerusalem was blocking the way?