Alan T (21 June 2015)
"Re: Re; Bob Anderson: " Why Rev.1-3 is not for us" Pt.2"


 
Bob, 
As I previously said I was intrigued and mentally restless to settle for myself as to why these specific churches are mentioned in Rev.1-3 and to what significance. I will attempt to postulate a theory however reserve that it is only such. Jovial has submitted that revelation may have been written earlier than previously thought, and my position would benefit from that fact, but nowise suffer discredit otherwise. I will begin with some links, which support that Magog of prophecy is represented by this region of asia addressed in Rev.1-3.
The Turkish president recently has incited the muslim world to invade Israel. I believe the Lord has addressed this particular region as an all inclusive condemnation from the post-flood era onward. Basically this is/was/is a major demonic stronghold inclusive of Jews, proselyte jews, gentiles and traditional jews and pagans.

http://www.bible-history.com/maps/maps/map_pauls_first_missionary_journey.html

http://www.meandertravel.com/biblical_asia_minor/biblical_asia_minor.php?details=oldtestament

 http://hightimetoawake.com/turkey-in-bible-prophecy/
As These links represent Modern turkey as Gomer and Magog, there is much relevance when looking at this region in light of prophecy. In Hosea we see Gomer represented as a harlot with offspring of harlots. Saul of tarsus, before he was the Apostle Paul, is a type of anti-Christ from this region denounced by the Lord and was later to be our Apostle, a complete turn around, But this is relevant to this region nonetheless.
Mat.23:1515 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat.1239 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the laststate of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


Now look at the similarities in Rev.1-3. Obviously these churches , although ministered to by Paul, were dominated by idolatry and judaism and paganism.

Rev.29 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev.213 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

We can see this region was settled by Jews during the captivity. Also partly due to church persecution.Also the letters to the churches being addressed to angels disqualifies any affiliation to Paul, since he never interacted with angels, and Israel did. Are these angels addressed good or bad angels ?

Rev.218 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.


Now look at other references to people of this region and their deeds.

Acts 6

8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.

9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.

10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.

11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.

12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,

Acts 7

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.


Now look at these verses and tell me whether the tribulation should have started or not at the conclusion of these verses.


Matt.22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

So if Jesus stands up, is he ready for His enemies to be made His footstool ?


Acts 7 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

Was Paul a type of anti-Christ? 

Acts 91 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.


Now look at Paul's pronouncement against this region and people.


Gal.5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

Acts 21

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

Gal.2:44 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Acts 163 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.

6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,

7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.

Acts 20

16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

17 And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.

18 And when they were come to him, he said unto them, Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons,

19 Serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:

We can see that , from the links and scripture that this region is a hotbed of contention and evil which the Lord has singled out in Rev.1-3. You should get the gist if the reasons why. It is obvious that the Lord addresses them elsewhere.


To be concluded in part 3


Alan T