From: Marilyn Agee
Hi:
> I have never heard of a “First-Trump Rapture.” I don’t think the Apostle > Paul has heard of it either. Please show us the scriptures for this new > rapture. Here is what Paul – the ONLY writer of the bible with > revelation about the rapture – wrote about trumpets associated with the > rapture:
> 1 Thes. 4
> 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the > voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in > Christ will rise first.
> Here Paul does not give us any information about which trumpet.
> 1 Cor. 15
> 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall > all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last > trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised > incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
> Therefore I submit that the ONLY rapture concerning the church will come > at the “LAST trump.”
But, Lyle, you can't have a "LAST trump" without a first trump.
The word "last", adjective, means: "Coming after all others in time or order; final"
You quoted both scriptures yourself. I Thess 4:16 says "with the TRUMPET of God". That is the FIRST TRUMP.
I Cor. 15:52 says "at the LAST TRUMPET". That is the LAST TRUMP.
I am hoping for the FIRST TRUMP on the Eastern Orthodox Ascension Day, Thursday, June 13, 2013.
I think the LAST TRUMP will happen on Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept 14, 2015.
I searched the New Testament on eSword for the word "TRUMP". It only appears twice.
FIRST TRUMP
1Th_4:16 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first"
LAST TRUMP
1Co_15:52 says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
AT THE FIRST RAPTURE, NO ONE IS MADE IMMORTAL.
AT THE LAST RAPTURE, ALL ARE MADE IMMORTAL.
After the FIRST RAPTURE, all the saints out of every nation sing the NEW SONG.
Rev 5:8-10 says, "...saints. 9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."
After the LAST RAPTURE, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG.
Rev. 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."
In Psalm 149, we read more about the NEW SONG.
Psa 149:1-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints. 2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. 3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. 4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. 5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."
> John's chronology is God-given and cannot be rearranged.
FIRST RAPTURE IN REVELATION
Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."
This Rapture comes before the Great Tribulation.
LAST RAPTURE IN REVELATION
This Rapture comes on the last day of the Great Tribulation, the Day of God's Wrath.
Rev 7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
Agape,
Marilyn Agee
mjagee@verizon.net
prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com
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Lyle Cooper (8 June 2013)
"RE: letter my Marilyn dated 7th of June"
RE: Marilyn Agee: 6 Jun, referencing Gary B’s post of 4 June
I am astounded. I don’t know any other way to say it. Here is a quote from this letter.
“That can't be true. The foolish virgins are on earth after the First-Trump Rapture. They are members of all nations. The Laodiceans that do not repent are on earth after the First-Trump Rapture. They are members of all nations. Scripture says that people "OF ALL NATIONS" are caught up to Heaven in the Last-Trump Rapture. Maybe you skipped from reading about the 144,000 Israelites in Rev 7:8 to Rev 7:14. Here are the verses in between.”
I have never heard of a “First-Trump Rapture.” I don’t think the Apostle Paul has heard of it either. Please show us the scriptures for this new rapture. Here is what Paul – the ONLY writer of the bible with revelation about the rapture – wrote about trumpets associated with the rapture:
1 Thes. 4
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Here Paul does not give us any information about which trumpet.
1 Cor. 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Therefore I submit that the ONLY rapture concerning the church will come at the “LAST trump.” Paul does not tell us of another rapture for the church. The bible gives us no hint of another rapture for the church. Why then, do we have believers believing in a second rapture?
Please, doves, help me out here; show me some scripture! There is a hint of another rapture, but that is for the 144,000 JEWS that were sealed for their protection during the trumpet judgments. The next time John saw them, they were around the throne in heaven. There is no hint that they were martyred, so our only guess is that they were raptured to heaven as firstfruits of the Jews. I use “Jews” here loosely to mean all sons of Jacob. Many people believe Paul is referencing the last long and final trumpet blast at the feast of trumpets, for it is called “the last trump.” This is the Jewish feast of Rosh Hashanah. It is one feast that the date is always unknown: no one knows the day, because it is dependant on seeing the new moon.
“Yom Teruah is the only festival that no man knows when exactly it will occur. This is due to the fact that it begins on the new moon. The new moon was sanctified when two witnesses see the new moon and attest to it before the Sanhedrin in the Temple.” http://watch.pair.com/rosh-hashana.html
This last trumpet blast is not associated in any way with the 7 trumpets of Revelation. It is associated with the feast of Rosh Hashanah. This last trumpet blast will be sounded at least 3 1/2 years before Revelation’s 7th trumpet that marks the exact midpoint of the 70th week.
Also note, Paul wrote that this was a “mystery.” In other words, nothing written before this time could be about the rapture, else it would not be a “mystery.” So many Christians believe the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 is speaking of the rapture. If this gathering was about the rapture of the church, Paul could not have written that his rapture was a mystery. The truth is, the Matthew 24 gathering is not about the church. The rapture gathers people from around the earth; this gathering spoken of by Jesus gathers people from heaven and the earth. It is God bringing all of Jacob back to Israel; perhaps for the great judgment of the nations.
Jesus was very clear; some that are called “Christian” will be considered by God to be lukewarm, and will be left behind. I personally believe all those not watching for His coming will be left behind. He is coming for those watching for Him. If there are some doves that believe in their heart that they will see the antichrist first – please tell the rest of us doves: can you possibly be watching for His coming with all your heart when you believe you will see the antichrist first? I don’t know the answer to this question, so I am asking. Make no mistake: the Day of the Lord and the 70th week FOLLOW the rapture. This is both John’s and Paul’s chronology. John is also very clear, the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan will be happening AT THE SAME TIME, running concurrently. Therefore, the prewrath theory is in error. John’s chronology is God-given and cannot be rearranged. Any theory that must rearrange the chronology of Revelation is immediately suspect, and will be proven wrong.
Yours
Lyle