Donna Danna (28 May 2023)
REPLY TO NANSINGS:The Sons of God That Went Into The Daughters of Men Were Fallen AngelsHi Donna, thanks for your response. As the saying goes, "iron sharpens iron." I suspect issues like this will only be settled when Jesus comes. In the meantime, we are left to debate.Yes, Satan is still on the loose but that's because he has a role to play as God's main adversary and to teach mankind about evil. I have read the book of Enoch and notice there are disclaimers by present day historians regarding it due to controversies because of the belief it has been tampered with - added to or changed - through the ages while passing through many hands.For example, "Many of the early writings were lost during the Jewish wars against Roman rule. Afterward, there were very few groups concerned with copying, publishing and preserving the Jewish library. Eventually, many of the books, including Enoch, faded from the scene. For centuries, the Book of Enoch was lost — only to be rediscovered in the eighteenth-century black communities of Jews and Christians in Abyssinia, a region in Northern Ethiopia.
"In 1821, a Professor Laurence (who later became the Archbishop of Cashel) published an English translation from a manuscript, with the title: "The Book of Enoch, the Prophet: an apocryphal production, supposed to have been lost for ages; but discovered at the close of the last century in Abyssinia; now first translated from an Ethiopic manuscript in the Bodleian Library. Oxford, 1821."
A second edition was published in 1833, and a third in 1838. Here is what it says: "We do not advocate Divine inspiration for this ancient apocalyptic literature, but feel that it is important for God’s people to become familiar with it, especially since it was written and addressed specifically to those living in the "day of tribulation." -- J. R. Church (underlined emphasis added)
This was borne out by Ivan Panin who tested his discovery called "the Signature of God" about the amazing pattern of the number 7 found in the Bible as we have it today. He found that in the original alpha-numeric languages of Hebrew and Greek, if you add up a word, a sentence, a verse, a paragraph, a book, or all the books in the Bible, their sum always comes to a number that is a multiple or divisible of the number 7.
It is a very intricate and complex pattern that Panin estimates would take an intelligent man one lifetime to write just one paragraph of 500 words the way the entire Bible is written. It proves Divine inspiration because all the authors of 40 or more books had no way to correspond with each other over the centuries of time to keep this pattern of sevens running accurately. Mathematics is an exact science. Just one mistake would throw everything off. Panin tested this on the apocryphal writings in the Catholic Bible and found they did not contain this amazing pattern of the number 7 in them that the rest of the Bible as we have it today does, and thus, lacked evidence of Divine inspiration on them.
Enoch, also an apocryphal book, is quoted in the Bible, but somehow was not included with the rest of the books of the Bible, no doubt due to such controversies. One big example is Chapters 7 - 19. In seeming contradiction to the idea of angels coming from Heaven and mating with women, the book of Enoch states that it was three men from a "military race of men," known as "the Gregori," who left their first habitation (or estate), came to Earth and mated with women, resulting in giants on the Earth.
This seeming contradiction could be resolved by understanding that in ancient times, lacking the knowledge we have today from the Bible and the existence of extra-terrestrials (see a giant alien in the *video below), plus the changing of languages from ancient to modern, people tended to call anything that came from outside Earth "angels," or "gods," thereby confusing the matter terribly.
It is more likely that the Gregori and the so-called "angels" who left their "first estate" were really alien beings who left their planets, either in this dimension or another, to come to Earth. Their "first estate" or "habitation" wasn't actually Heaven, but rather other worlds in the heavens that God created. Isaiah 40:22 says that God "stretches out the heavens as a curtain and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in." This corroborates Psalm 33:6 that indicates that throughout those heavens there is human/human-like life. God didn't just confine human life to planet Earth.
With regards to Genesis 6:4, it is important to note that claiming the "sons of God" were angels contradicts the scripture in Psalms and Hebrews 1:5 that says, "For unto which of the angels said He at any time, "Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?" In other words, God never called angels "sons" and never will. It can't be both ways. Just one or the other as God doesn't contradict Himself. God said angels are "ministering spirits" who minister to the heirs of salvation" (Hebrews 1:14), but the angels themselves are not "sons of God."
You stated, "the angels were immortal and the Lord made no wives for them. I can't find a Bible verse that says that the angels have no seed." Let me help you with this. In Malachi 2:15 God said that the reason He wanted a marriage (union of two people) was for the purpose of producing a "godly seed." That's why the Lord made no wives for the angels. The male angels don't carry seed for reproduction and don't need to as God creates them, per Enoch and Heaven doesn't need to repopulate angels. But God gave Adam and Eve that capability because Earth needed repopulating after Satan and his fallen angels destroyed everything between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. God commanded them to "replenish the Earth" and gave them seed for that purpose.Rebecca Brown, author of the book "He Came To Set The Captives Free," tells of her struggles to help convert satanists and "brides of Satan" to Christ. None of the "brides of Satan" ever claimed to get pregnant from having sex with Satan and there are no reports of such a thing historically that I know of. That adds veracity to the claim that he does not have seed for reproduction.Genesis 3:14-15 is referring to the serpent. Satan used the serpent to disguise himself and speak through, but wasn't the serpent, though he is typified as that for having spoken through it. Satan could have used any animal to speak through. As evidence of this, Satan, himself, is not forced to crawl on his belly to this day as a result of the curse, but the serpent is, per Genesis 3:14. The serpent was cursed and it is the serpent that has seed for reproduction, not Satan. God would not want Satan repopulating Earth.With regards to where the second set of giants come from, the Enochian "angels" theory leaves a lot of problems. There is a lot of scientific evidence (bones) today from archaeology that many giants lived inside the Earth. There is also the possibility that they have extra-terrestrial origins because in the Solomon Islands today, where many cannabalistic giants still live in caves that go underground, UFOs have been seen flying into and coming out of those caves."The Giants of the Solomon Islands have large Island-entrapped populations in most of the bigger Islands of the Solomon’s that have existed there for millennia. The “Mount Dragon UFO Base” entrance in the Solomon Islands is definitely a current UFO Base used by aliens. They are seen virtually every night and have been for well over a century. The entrance to this subterranean UFO Base is a waterfall-lake about 2,500 feet high on the western side of a 5-kilometre long valley, and is approximately 8-kilometres from the coast." -- Marius Boirayon, Research Director, Solomon Anthropological Expedition Trust Board Incorporated. giants@thesolomongiants.com / http://www.thesolomongiants.com/ in conjunction with Duncan Roads of Nexus Magazine: editor@nexusmagazine.com.This evidence again lends credence to the concept that the "sons of God" mentioned in the book of Enoch -- who came down and mated with women on Earth -- were more likely either the righteous sons of Adam, or extraterrestrials from other worlds and not angels from Heaven, since Jesus told His disciples that "angels do not marry or give in marriage."This extraterrestrial origin idea is a better answer that, in my humble opinion, solves the entire debate and satisfies what would otherwise be a conflict of scriptures and doctrine concerning the need for salvation through Jesus blood to become a "son of God."As for your last paragraph, there is a joke in which Satan challenges God to a contest. God replied, "Okay, let's make a man." Satan said, "No problem." So they go about raking up some dirt. Then God said to Satan, "Wait a minute! Go get your own dirt." God alone creates beings and gives them life.The 1/3 fallen angels are locked up until Judgment Day and good angels don't mess with God's creation because He won't allow it. However, aliens use human seed mixed with alien seed in test tubes to produce human/alien hybrids, and therefore, erroneously claim, per ancient cuneiform Babylonian manuscripts, that they are "gods who created us." But we know there is only one God who is the Creator of all things - not them. They just fool around with what God initially made. Regarding the existence of giant alien beings, below is a must see video:9-Foot *Alien Spotted In Space Shuttle Cargo Bay Giving Instructions to Earth's Astronauts
You can see it for yourself in this short video: https://YouTube/watch?v=4mKGJ0rJavcAuthor and researcher, R. Scott Lemriel, estimated in a Coast to Coast Radio broadcast interview, April 9, 2014, there are some 450 million benevolent space-faring races in just one quarter of our Milky Way Galaxy. [ R. Scott Lemriel, [ http://click.email.premierenetworks.com/?qs=6e698a41cd792b8425e5c4c426e7bd557c053c79856f3938d3f99efde99eb168 ]An ex-NASA scientist, Kevin Knuth, now a professor of physics at the University of Albany, believes there is "plenty of evidence" to support the existence of aliens and UFOs in our universe, but says the government COVERS UP encounters: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/713251/alien-nasa-cover-up-world-ufo-day-space-earth-sighting-2018-news
Alien Cover-up Acknowledged: One NASA employee was caught brushing evidence of extra-terrestrial life out of photos before releasing them to the general public. A NASA insider admitted in a video recently: "We lied about everything." Not surprisingly, his testimony on video has since been removed from youtube. Some joke that the acronym "NASA" means = Never a straight answer.