Reply to:
Donna
Danna (7 July 2024)
TO NANSINGS: FALLEN ANGELS THAT
AREN'T CHAINED UP
Thanks for responding,
Donna. I suspect we are so close to going up in
the Rapture that we could be caught up at any moment and
find ourselves in God's presence for eternity. We
will then have the mind of Christ through which we will
know all the answers to such difficult issues.
What a wonderful thought! I look forward to
meeting you and all the others from 5 Doves who will
make up the "Bride of Christ" who have labored long and
hard in His vineyard here on Earth till now and are
ready to enjoy the fruits of their labors in
Heaven. "What a day that will be when our
(awesome) Jesus we shall see, when we look upon His
face, the One who saved us by His grace, when He takes
us by the hand and leads us to the Promised Land, what a
day - glorious day - that will be!"
I got a chuckle out of the title
above. ;) As you know, I'm not convinced
there are "fallen angels that aren't chained up."
The Bible doesn't give any indication of that in 2 Peter
2:4 and Jude 1:6. To my knowledge that concept
came from the Book of Enoch that poses contradictions to
God's Word in numerous ways and doesn't bear the proof
of God's Divine signature on it.
I do recall, however, reading
reports of alien beings who speak of an alien named
Semjase. For all we know it could have been an
ancient alien instead of an angel. That would make
more sense since angels do not have seed for
reproductive purposes, and therefore, could neither mate
with women physically, nor create life in a test tube as
they do not
have sperm for that purpose.
The Bible never tells of
angels marrying, nor of pregnant angels, nor of angels
giving birth. Nor is there any mention of a
nursery in Heaven for baby angels. It does mention
cherubs that were created - not by angels - but by
God. To the contrary, Jesus told His disciples in
Matthew 22:29-30 "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures nor
the power of God," by thinking there was
giving and taking in marriage in Heaven because there
isn't.
The purpose for marriage
is to create a "godly seed" for reproductive
purposes. We get that from Malachi 2:15 that says
that through the union of two people God is seeking a "godly seed."
And don't you think that if God got mad at the 1/3rd
fallen angels for destroying His initial Earth that He
would be even more furious with them if they tried to
mess with the humans He had created and would later come
to die for? Many aliens have seed for reproductive
purposes, and those who don't are able to create life in
a test tube, but not the angels as, per Jesus, they
do not have sexual organs, nor do they have sperm for
creating life in a test tube. Humans who accept
God's plan of salvation are destined for the throne in
Heaven to rule and reign with Christ someday -- but not the
angels. Instead, the Bible says redeemed humans
will rule over the angels someday [I Cor. 6:3].
With regards to Dr. Eby, the
author of that article who viciously spoke out against
him, I suspect is going to, himself, need a great deal
of mercy from God on Judgment Day for God has told
numerous people that He hates fingerpointing. The
confused critic also gives a link to a Dr. Eben
Alexander who isn't Dr. Richard Eby. As you can
see below, the picture he gives on the left is not the
same as that of Dr. Richard Eby and his wife.
God told someone there is
really no such thing as "death." Instead, our
"energy just changes form." He provided us with
an example of this through the visual of a caterpillar
whose creepy, ugly form morphs into a cocoon - like a
grave - then changes into a beautiful butterfly that
flies away. The caterpillar is alive
through the whole process. It is true that Dr. Eby
will still be alive when the Rapture (a two-part
process) happens, for in the Resurrection - which
occurs first - his spirit, which will still be alive,
will be transformed with his physical body into an
eternal being. The critic's mind is too narrow
to understand such concepts.
The reference made to Revelation
12:13-17 paints a picture that appears as all one
incident but is actually made up of several. It
says, "And
when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the Earth
he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man
child." In this prophetic scenario
time periods between events aren't specified. It
is told as though it is all one story. How long
was it after the dragon was cast to the Earth that he
began to persecute the woman (Israel)? Since he
was cast down at the beginning there is a long stretch
before the nation of Israel is created and the 'end
times' scenario plays out.
I didn't say that Satan
was chained up with the fallen angels. Here's what
I said, "Because the Bible says
the fallen angels are being "held in chains of
darkness, reserved unto Judgment Day." [2 Peter 2:4 /
Jude 1:6].
We've covered the following before; you
said: "The unchained Satan also goes into the
presence of God along with the sons of God according
to Job 1:6 & 2:1." One minor note is you
also mentioned 1 Colossians
1:13-16. There isn't a "1
Colossians 1:13-16."
You
also said: "All the other angels were created
by the Lord Jesus Christ." Are you implying
Jesus is an angel? Psalm 8 says He was
"created a little lower than the angels but is
crowned with glory and honor." From there on
out in the rest of the paragraph you go into all the
issues we've discussed before but apparently still
do not agree on. 1) God never called
angels His "son(s)." That changes everything
that is debated thereafter.
What we haven't debated, I don't believe, is
the story of Sodom & Gomorrah. That's
another very interesting, tangled topic. You
said, "The two angels who
appeared to Lot in the city of Sodom in Genesis
19:1-5 looked like men to the men of the city of
Sodom & Gomorrah who wanted to have sex with
them."
My youngest brother
attended Bob Jones University for a while.
While there he studied the Bible
in the original Mazoretic text of the Pentateuch and
looked back at the original transcript of the
story about Lot and his two daughters. That
version about the men of the city wanting Lot to
hand over the two angels to them is not in the
original transcripts, nor is
it true that Lot offered his daughters to them
instead.
The
KJV Bible we are reading today is not the Bible of the
1800s which had no
verses against gays. The Roman Catholic
church, via a monk named Damian, changed the text to
create story lines that didn't exist previous to the
King James. The scriptures were thus
perverted by creating homosexual stories in the Bible so
gays -- like King James who was also gay -- would
be charged $5K to $50K (if they were rich) to make
'penance' for their sins. That's how the Roman
Catholics came up with money to build their huge
cathedrals.
In the original
manuscript there is no
mention of homosexuality, nor of Lot
offering his daughters to rioters and no lust for
visiting angels, but it
does mention that Lot carved idols for a
living which apparently was considered too
much of an embarassment to the translators, and therefore,
for reasons of religious correctness was omitted from
the story we have today.
Additional evidence that the Sodom & Gomorrah
story was changed from the original manuscript lies in Ezekiel
16:48-50 below.
Since the translators didn't have computers to
cross-check the Bible for any possible related
connection to what they were doing, they completely
missed Ezekiel's reference to why
God punished Sodom. It, therefore, remains to this
day as proof the Sodom & Gomorrah version we have is
a gross concoction/mis-
representation of
someone's overactive imagination, a need to fit an
agenda, or both. Had they known Ezekiel's
reference to the sins of Sodom existed, and would prove
their story wrong, they would, no doubt, have removed
it, or changed it to match their concocted version.
So, what really happened? The original
language tells a rather different story. It
tells how Lot's daughters were what we would call
nurses today. They would go outside the city
walls and help the poor, lame, sick and elderly,
showing hospitality to desert travellers by giving
them food/water, etc. This type of hospitality
was against the rules of the city, especially after
hours as the city would lock up at a particular time
each night for the safety of all. Lot was told
by the guard at the gate -- who saw his daughters
arriving after hours -- that as a result of what
they had been doing, and for coming in late, they
were going to be tried in a court the next day for
breaking the law. That was why Lot fled the
city with them. Also, Lot's
daughters didn't commit the "sin of incest."
The Law wasn't given until Moses.
Here is more information that may
surprise you about the story of Sodom &
Gomorrah:
Sodom's sin was not for homosexuality. The real reason why
God punished Sodom:
Ezekiel
16:48-50 "As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom
thy sister hath not done, she nor her
daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy
daughters. Behold, this was the
iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride,
fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness
was in her and in her daughters, neither did she
strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. (Ed.,
Instead, the city of Sodom was punishing Lot's
daughters who helped the poor and
needy.) And
they were haughty, and committed abomination
before me: therefore
I took them away as I saw good." Note,
this occurred before the laws of Moses had been
given to mankind by God. Hospitality was
considered very important. Even Abraham found
favor with God by showing hospitality to the Trinity
that visited him one day.
"Also, per the
Torah, the Biblical reference to the "corruption
of all flesh" (Gen.
6:12-13) meant something else other than
angellic sexual relations with mankind," per Rabbi
Avraham Kahn [Ed., as angels and Satan do not have
seed for reproduction. It
meant the wasting of human seminal fluids.)
We know angels can't have
sex with mankind because Jesus said in Heaven the angels
don't give and take in marriage. The purpose of
marriage as defined in the Bible is to "replenish the
Earth" and to create a "godly
seed" out of their union (Malachi
2:15). Angels don't need to replenish Heaven as God
can create them anytime He wants to. However, God
told Adam and Eve to "re-plenish" the Earth that had
been *destroyed
by satan and his "fallen angels," per God to Dr. Richard
Eby during his life after death experience, and therefore,
God gave Adam and Eve reproductive capability. [*This destruction
occurred between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2]
"We know that there
are no extraneous words in the Torah. It,
therefore, seems strange that the Torah repeats that G'd
saw the Earth was corrupted. However, the Hebrew
word for corruption, "hashchasah," has two meanings: (1)
corruption and (2) destruction. The Zohar
(Noah 61a) explains that the "corruption of all flesh" is
really referring to the destruction
and wasting of the seminal fluids. This
teaches us that the root of the corruption, and the lack
of respect for other people, started with the lack of
respect for their own ability to reproduce.
"In their indulgence of
physical self-gratification, they had no interest in
having large families, but wanted to minimize the number
of children they had (see Midrash Hagadol 10:5).
Rashi (Bereishis 4:19) quotes the Midrash Rabbah (ibid
23:2) who relates how they would marry two wives:
One for childbearing who was despised and would be
living on her own as if she was a widow; the other one
would be a beautiful woman whom they would marry just
for pleasure and enjoyment, and they would, therefore,
medically make her barren to preserve her attractive
appearance. This lack of respect for the potential
of future life eventually brought about bloodshed as
well (see Jerusalem Talmud, Bava Metzia 4:2)."
Regarding "same sex"
relations - where the Bible presently says 'man shall
not lie with man,' is not what the original
manuscripts said. It actually meant "man
shall not lie to God Almighty as the heathen do."
The meaning changed over the centuries as you will see
below.
For instance, it
said: "Ish (man)
shall not lie with Zakar." The most current translation said
"Zakar" meant a minor who hadn't gone through his bar
mitzvah yet -- a pre-12 yr. old, meaning a man should
not molest a child / should not lie with a minor /
avoid appearance of evil. An earlier translation
than that said "Zakar"
was a nobleman, mayor, governor, rulers: Keep your
hands off young boys to avoid appearance of evil. A
discontinued version of Strong's & Young's
Concordance said "Zakar" is a young
prince. 300 years earlier - Babylonia era -
they said "lie" = you shall not lie to the princes who
represent the king.
(Note that St. Jerome
who wrote the Bible did not know Hebrew or Aramaic, or
Koine Greek which would explain how some of the
translation errors occurred.)
600 years before that
"Zakar" was a fine, handsome young man.
Then in the Phoenecian
era (identical to the time of Leviticus) it says Zakar
is the name of God Almighty = Man shall not
lie to God Almighty as the heathen do.
What a difference, huh? Jesus is the only one who
can reveal where all the translators goofed over time
and what the real stories are. This He will do
during the Millennium when the knowledge of God fills
the Earth like the waters of the sea.
You said: The giants were
not already on the Earth before the sons of
God went in unto the daughters of men.
Per a Jewish scholar, Genesis 6:4 says, "There were
giants in the earth in those days; and
also after that, when the sons of
God came . ." this means the
giants were already here when the
sons of God came. Now, if you go with
the Book of Enoch, it says the giants were
the offspring of the Gregorians, a military
race of men, who left their first habitation
(apparently from another dimension), came to
Earth and mated with women, creating the
giants. It doesn't say they were
giants, just that the result of their mating
with Earth's women resulted in giants being
created. We won't know, of course,
until we get to Heaven.
You said, "Job
and no human people were around when God
laid the foundations of the Earth when
the morning stars sang together and all
the sons of God shouted for joy
according to Job 38:4-7 which must mean
the sons of God were the angels that the
Lord God had directly created before He
created Earth and mankind."
You are entitled to your
own conclusion, however, I arrived at a
different conclusion based on Jeremiah
1:5 which says "Before
I formed thee in the belly I knew
thee..." Near
death experiences people have had also
indicate we existed before we came
here. One lady who was
killed by her husband was told by God
she had to return to Earth to fulfill a
contract she had signed with Him before
coming here the first time.
Apparently God knew it would take that
contract to get her to return as no one
in their right mind would want to go
back that had been murdered. That
would mean we
are the "sons of God" who were
with God when He created the heavens and
Earth and we shouted for joy at His
incredible handiwork. That also
makes more sense since we know angels
are not heirs to salvation
(which is who the "sons of God" are,
descendants from the sin seed of
Adam/Eve, who by believing in Jesus
become the "sons of God").
I'll meet you in the Rapture and we can
celebrate with Heaven's wine at our new
knowledge and understanding of all that
puzzled us before. See you soon!
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