This is in reply to your 6/30 post Reply to Donna Danna re Aliens & Fallen Angels (fivedoves.com) in which you stated "Present day scholars are led to think that Rev. 12:7-9 means the casting out of angels from Heaven is for the Great Tribulation period, but God revealed to Dr. Richard Eby, during his death experience, that it actually occurred back in Genesis."
I believe what God said in the Bible in Rev. 12:7-17 and not Dr. Richard Eby's near death experience because Dr. Eby also claimed that Jesus told him that he would be alive at Jesus' coming, and Dr. Eby died in 2002 according to the 2 articles below at
If you reread the entire passage after Satan & his angels fought Michael & his angels and after Satan, the dragon, and his angels were cast down from heaven to Earth, Rev. 12:13-17 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
This above Bible passage shows Satan after being cast down from heaven persecuting the woman (Israel) for 2 1/2 yrs. or 1260 days and Israel fleeing into the wilderness which takes place during the Great Tribulation period which is why present day scholars believe that Rev. 12:7-17 takes place during the Great Tribulation period. Also Israel as a nation did not exist when the world was without form and void in the book of Genesis so Rev. 12:7-17 did not take place during the book of Genesis.
If Satan, the dragon, and all the fallen angels were chained up as you claim in your 6/16 post Reply to Steve Mullin re Alien Abductions Stop @ the Name of Jesus (fivedoves.com)there would be no need for Michael and his angels to fight them and cast them out of heaven down unto the earth when the woman (Israel) flees into the wilderness for 1,260 days (great tribulation) when the dragon Satan tries to persecute the woman according to Rev. 12:7-13. This is an event which did not take place at the beginning of the world, but happens during the great tribulation period. Lucifer fallen from heaven depicted in Isaiah 14:12 is a different event.
If Satan was chained up as you claim, there would be no need for an angel to chain him up just prior to the beginning of the Lord Jesus' Christ 1,000 year reign on Earth according to Rev. 20:1-3 so that "he should deceive the nations no more." Then after the 1000 years are ended, he is loosed for a little season before he ends up in the lake of fire.
Also Satan isn't chained up because he entered into Judas Iscariot according to Luke 22:3. The unchained Satan also goes into the presence of God along with the sons of God according to Job 1:6 & 2:1.
As for Hebrews 1:5, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" Jesus Christ who pre-existed is God, the Father's only begotten Son conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. All the other angels were created by the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Colossians 1:13-16), but they are called sons of God in Genesis 6:2, 6:4 & in the book of Job 1:6, 2:1, & 38:7. The sons of God (fallen angels) in the book of Genesis went into the daughters of women and produced the giants; the giants were not created by the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God because of the way He was conceived when the Holy Spirit overshadowed the Virgin Mary (Luke 1:35), and He took on human form in a physical body which no angels have done as they were created as ministering spirits (Heb. 1:14) so they can never be called God the Father's only begotten Son or begotten Sons. Angels as spirits would be able to shapeshift to look like men just as demonic familiar spirits can. The two angels who appeared to Lot in the city of Sodom in Genesis 19:1-5 looked like men to the men of the city of Sodom & Gomorrah who wanted to have sex with them.
The giants were not already on the Earth before the sons of God went in unto the daughters of men. Genesis 6:1-4 says, "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." The sons of God in verse Gen. 6:2 saw the daughters of men and they took wives of them which is why there were giants in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." If the fallen angels had no sexual organs, perhaps they cloned themselves by somehow taking their DNA and putting it inside their wife's eggs. (Look at Dolly the sheep that was cloned and had offspring Dolly (sheep) - Wikipedia If scientists were able to do that, I don't see why the fallen angels wouldn't be able to clone themselves. It's either that or the fallen angels shapeshifted to appear as men like the angels who appeared as men to Lot in Sodom in Genesis 19:1-5.)
Job and no human people were around when God laid the foundations of the Earth when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy according to Job 38:4-7 which must mean the sons of God were the angels that the Lord God had directly created before He created Earth and mankind.
2 Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." Since Moses was inspired by God to write "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 & 6:4, and Job was inspired by God to write "sons of God" in Job 1:6, 2:1 & 38:7, who are we to tell God who He can call sons of God in the Old and New Testaments.