Daniel
10:20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore
I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight
with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth,
lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21
But I will shew thee that which is
noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in
these things, but Michael your prince.
Daniel 11:1 Also
I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even
I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
2
And now will I shew thee the truth.
Behold, there shall stand up yet three
kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far
richer than they all: and by his
strength through his riches he shall stir up all
against the realm of Grecia.
This angel, and I think that it was an angel
speaking with Daniel, here,
said
that he would show Daniel what is noted in the
scripture,
regarding
the kings that shall stand up yet in Persia.
Isn't the place in the scriptures, where
this is noted, in the book of Daniel?
If so, then was Daniel given a peek in the
book of Daniel, before he penned it down?
How could that be?
Psalms
119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is
settled in heaven.
Is not the eternal word, of the eternal
LORD, eternally with the LORD?
However, here on earth, in time, there was a
time when the LORD had different men pen down his word,
yet
his word is eternal as he is.
Psalms 119:152 Concerning thy testimonies, I
have known of old that thou hast founded them for
ever.
160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and
every one of thy righteous judgments
endureth for ever.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
and from ancient times the things
that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my
pleasure:
What about the "scripture" preaching to
Abraham,
some
400+ years before even Moses penned Exodus through
Deuteronomy?
Galatians
3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the
heathen through faith, preached
before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be
blessed.
Isn't that usually explained as not really
meaning what it says, but rather that it means
something like,
"God
foresaw what he would do for the Gentiles, by the
crucifixion and resurrection,
and
showed Abraham this, in type, when he called him to
sacrifice Isaac"?
Although that makes for exciting preaching
in a camp meeting, it is not what is says.
It says the scripture foresaw.
It says the scripture preached unto Abraham,
not, "what would later be written in the scriptures,
preached".
Doesn't Galatians 3:8 imply that the
scripture had to exist somewhere, for this line to be
true?
So, since this was long before even Moses
penned down Genesis through Deuteronomy,
does
it mean that the scripture already was existing in
eternity with the LORD?
What about when Moses spoke to Pharaoh?
Romans 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh,
Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up,
that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name
might be declared throughout all the earth.
I know that this is usually explained as,
"What would eventually be written in the scriptures, was
first spoken to Pharaoh".
However, that is not what it says.
It says the scripture saith to Pharaoh, and
that was before Moses penned it down.
Doesn't that mean that the scriptures
already existed somewhere for this line to be true?
And what about those books, plural, that
Daniel referred to?
Daniel 9:2
In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood
by books the number of the years,
whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the
prophet, that he would accomplish seventy
years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
One of those books, where the seventy years'
captivity is mentioned, is the book of Jeremiah.
Jeremiah
25:11 And this whole land shall be a
desolation, and an astonishment;
and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
12 And it shall come to pass, when
seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of
Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their
iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will
make it perpetual desolations.
Jeremiah
29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at
Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word
toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
But Daniel understood by books, plural.
The other books that this is written in is:
II
Chronicles 36:21 To fulfil the word of the
LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had
enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long
as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.
Zechariah
1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered
and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not
have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah,
against which thou hast had indignation these
threescore and ten years?
Zechariah
7:5 Speak unto all the people of the land,
and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and
mourned in the fifth and seventh month,
even those seventy years, did ye at
all fast unto me, even to me?
Yet, those two books had not been penned
yet, when Daniel understood by books.
Some have said that by books, plural, Daniel
meant plural scrolls, and not really plural books.
However, wasn't Jeremiah told to have all
the words on a single roll?
Jeremiah
36:2 Take thee a roll of a
book, and write therein all the
words that I have spoken unto thee against
Israel, and against Judah, and against all the
nations, from the day I spake unto thee,
from the days of Josiah, even unto this
day.
4
Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and
Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all
the words of the LORD, which he had spoken
unto him, upon a roll of a book.
27
Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after
that the king had burned the roll, and the words
which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
28
Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that
were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the
king of Judah hath burned.
32
Then took Jeremiah another roll,
and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah;
who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which
Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them
many like words.
Jeremiah
30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel,
saying, Write thee all the words that I
have spoken unto thee in a book.
So, did Daniel also get a peek in the book
of II Chronicles and in the book of Zechariah?
What about Abraham, did he get a peek in the
book?
Genesis
15:1 After these things the
word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision,
saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy
shield, and thy exceeding great
reward.
It says that the word of the LORD came to
Abram in a vision, and a vision is what is seen, did he
see the scriptures?
It doesn't say the Word of God (with a large
"W", i.e. Jesus) in a vision,
but
the word of the LORD (with a small "w", i.e. the
scriptures).
I realize that this may sound like a bit of
a stretch, but it may explain how Abraham knew about the
city:
Hebrews
11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called
to go out into a place which he should after receive
for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not
knowing whither he went.
10
For he looked for a city which hath
foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
First, where does the faith come from?
Romans
10:17 So then faith cometh
by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
Does faith come to us from the scriptures?
Also, Abraham knew about that city, that we
also found out about, in Revelation 21.
Did Abraham get a peek in the book of
Revelation?
And what about Moses?
Hebrews
11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to
years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s
daughter;
25
Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people
of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a
season;
26
Esteeming the reproach of Christ
greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he
had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
How did Moses find out about the reproach of
Christ, some 1500 hundred years before it happened?
Did Moses get a chance to get a peek, and
read about the reproach of Christ,
in
the same place where we read about the reproach of
Christ, in Psalm 22 and in Isaiah 53?
So, the original question is did the angel
show to Daniel what was noted in the scripture,
before
the book of Daniel was even penned down on earth?
If so, is that because the word of God is as
eternal as the Word of God?