Gino (13 July 2012)
"RE: Jimmy & Kevin: FiveDoves: 07.12.12: America, the Babylon"


 
Jimmy and Kevin,
Thank you for breaking this all down and listing those various sources. I have also seen the bulk of the resources that you listed. I agree with you, with those you listed, and those on FiveDoves who have also said the same thing. 
I no longer consider a rebuilt, ancient Mesopotamian Babylon as the fulfillment of Rev 17 & 18. Ancient Babylon is not a mystery. We as Christians are stewards of the mysteries, and are as such, required to know them first, in order to do the work of a steward. They appear to be new testament oriented, related to Jesus Christ, the "pro", as well as the "anti", mysteries. The mysteries of the kingdom of heaven (Matt 13), the mystery of the Trinity (Col 2:2), the mystery of the rapture of the church (I Cor 15:51), the mystery of the church (Col 1:26-27), the mystery of the blindness in part of Israel during the church age while even Gentiles are being saved (Rom 11:25), the mystery of the seven stars and golden candlesticks (Rev 1:20), the mystery of his will (Eph 1:9), the mysteries of the two sons: the Son of God - the mystery of Godliness - God manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16) vs the son of perdition - the mystery of iniquity (2Thes 2:7), and the mysteries of the two women: the mystery of the bride of Christ (Eph 5:25-32) vs the mystery of the whore (Rev 17&18). There are other mysteries, but this short list shows clear enough, how the mysteries, hid, but hinted to, in the old testament, but revealed in the new testament, are all related to the Jesus Christ, and as such they are understood in that relationship to Jesus Christ. Therefore the whore revealed in Rev 17&18, is a whore as she relates to Jesus Christ in her whoredoms, not as an ancient foe of Israel relating to tribulation Israel. All the ancient foes of Israel were prophesied repeatedly in the old testament that they would come against Israel in the last days - these were old testament prophecies to be fulfilled, not new testament mysteries relating to Jesus. Both the old testament prophecies about Israel, as well as the new testament mysteries related to Jesus Christ, will all find their conclusion in the Lord, as he brings both testaments to perfection in himself.
The only thing that used to throw me, was Babylon's blood guiltiness:
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

In trying to understand this, I remembered the following:
Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

How did all that blood, going back to Cain killing Abel, come upon the Jewish nation of the Pharisees & Sadducees?
Both the Northern & Southern kingdoms had gone a whoring from the LORD, and had rejected the blood covenant of redemption given to them, above all the peoples of the earth. The Southern kingdom had come back from captivity. Since they turned their backs on the blood of the old covenant, then it was blood put back on them. They had forgotten the tenth plague, where the blood of the lamb protected their firstborn, now instead of blood covering & blood protection, they had blood guiltiness.
So, then when the new testament woman goes a whoring from Jesus Christ, they reject the blood of the new covenant, and the result of:
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Is again blood guiltiness, coming upon the generation of judgment:
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

People show what they think of the book of Revelation by what they call it. I hear more people call the book, "revelations", rather than, "Revelation". They think of it as a collection of secrets about the future, as if it was like a collection of Nostradamus prophecies or Chinese fortune cookies. However, it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, it's all about him!! Like what is said in Hebrews 10:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,)
The way to understand everything in the book of Revelation is in context of how it relates to Jesus Christ, good or bad. To borrow an expression from Dickens, therein is a tale of two cities, as well as a tale of two women. One is earthly, while the other is heavenly - one has a bright & everlasting future, while the other has a terrible end - one is related to the mystery of godliness, God manifest in the flesh, the Word, while the other is related to the mystery of iniquity, the Wicked - one woman goes a whoring from him, breaking his heart, like OT Israel did, while the other woman blesses his heart, like prophetically shown in the Song of Solomon, and marries him - the one city is for the bride, the church, the mystery hid from the foundation of the world, revealed in the new testament, while the other city is also a mystery, hid until John wrote about it, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT".
Again, everything about this woman needs to be understood in the context of Jesus Christ, it's all about him. So, this woman's whoredoms are against Jesus Christ - and like Israel in the old testament, who also went a whoring from the LORD, she had been great, mighty, and wealthy because of the LORD, but she went after her lovers instead of him - so likewise, this woman must needs have been made great, mighty, and wealthy by Jesus Christ, because she originally was his. Then she ends up as a fallen woman, and the city/nation ends up fallen, fallen - both spiritually/morally as well as physically/politically/economically/militarily. Who else could it be?
Also, all other nations in history were made wealthy by the others, but it says about her that the others were made wealthy by her. Who else could it be?
Who else started as a city on a hill, a Christian nation, a light to the nations. Who else was started by the church, the surviving remnant, that escaped the fires of martyrdom in Europe, to come to a new land? Who else began like that, but then became the greatest exporter of pornography, sodomy, drug money - who actually held & killed so many slaves, even after so many of them had become their brothers in the Lord, after they were saved? Who after a horrible Civil War, that set the slaves free, yet after a full 100 years refused to repent, by keeping Jim Crowe Laws? Who else had such a great revival leading to so many 2nd births in her, and who also had such an open door for so many missionaries, where countless millions around the world came to the 2nd birth - but then turned to murder over 60 million innocents in their mothers' wombs, to prevent even their 1st births?
Who else could this woman and this city be?
Gino