Brad (24 July 2012)
"Challenge for the Doves"


 
Dear Doves,

I am always amazed at how the Holy Spirit leads us to truth when we ask. I have been reading Doves and also been on fire for the word of The Lord and have been given a thirst for eschatology over the last few years. I have studied and read many many teachings on Revelation, Daniel and those things concerning the rapture and end times trying to understand the timing of such things and always living each day with the expectancy of His return for us. I find that I find a certain amount of truth in much that is taught and understood (at the time) of the study. The Holy Spirit has slowly lead me to understand things and build upon past learning's as time goes on to reveal a bigger piece of the puzzle and thus new revelation in His word. As such, I began reading the material provided in the link from yesterdays posting Daniel Matson (URL) 2,520 years and Israel’s regathering

As usual, this was just a teaser for me so I began reading the other articles here which lead me to what may answer questions I have had and  see continually debated by the doves posting on this site. The portion of this article  http://watchfortheday.org/70weekstart.html  seems to answer many questions  about the timing of the 70th week of Daniel, the war of Ezekial 39. I am sorry to say that many who read this may be initially disappointed that we are not in the midst of the 70 weeks but there is hope here that the rapture is still imminent. 

So, I challenge you all to put off preconceived notions and ask the HS for wisdom and lead you to truth. There is much for those who love numbers and calculations to digest in all the articles provided on this site so I would ask you to be a good Berean and search for the truth. 

Here is an excerpt that describes why it is NOT the antichrist that confirms the covenant and has evidence of such. So, please review the information, pray for revelation and I would love to hear back about this on the Doves site.

 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27 KJV

And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.
Daniel 9:27 NASB

The next event on the horizon in the 70 Weeks prophecy is the confirmation of a covenant with the many, which is Israel. Those who  believe that the 70th Week has been fulfilled, have long held that the “he” of Daniel 9:27 was Christ himself. They believe his public ministry of three and a half years fulfilled the first half of the week with his crucifixion ceasing the daily sacrifices. Though the time element may fit three and a half years, but as we have seen, the chronological sequence does not. The 69th Week must conclude just before Christ is “cut off” and not at the start of His public ministry. 

To counter this view, Futurists have held that the “he” of Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist.  Since the Antichrist has not come, it keeps the 70th Week in the future. This is the opposite of the Preterist view.  However, the chronology alone should keep this passage future. So if the “he” were Christ, then it still refers to the future. Whoever the “he” is, it should not impact the chronological sequence of Messiah first being crucified, then the destruction of Jerusalem, and then later the 70th Week can begin. 

Most who have held to the futuristic view of this verse believe that the “he” is the future prince of the people (Romans) who destroyed the Temple. The use of “prince” in verse 26 is the nearest antecedent. Therefore, it is commonly held that the Antichrist makes or enforces a treaty for seven years with the Jews. It is then deducted that this treaty probably allows for the Jews to rebuild their Temple. The Antichrist then halts the Temple sacrifices mid-week and sets up the Abomination of Desolation to demand worship of himself as god. At the conclusion, Jesus rescues Israel and believers from the Antichrist. 

However, what about the other option? It is possible that the “he” refers back to the main subject in verse 26, which is the Messiah himself. The nearest antecedent rule has its exceptions, if the context warrants it.  However, by making Christ the “he” in Daniel 9:27, Christ would then be the confirmer of the covenant that continues seven years.  In light of Ezekiel 39:7-10, it would indeed seem to make more sense that Christ is the confirmer of the covenant with His people to restart the 70 weeks, as He saves Israel from this invasion found in Ezekiel.  Therefore, the burning of the weapons for seven years would be the parallel to the time of the 70th Week. 

However, there is a problem with this view because then Christ would be the same “he” that stops the sacrifices in the middle of the seven years. Unless this shows His sovereign control, it is otherwise apparent that the Antichrist is the one who ceases the sacrifices and sets up the Abomination (Daniel 8:11, 12:11, Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14) . However, the “one who causes desolation” is a separate subject than the “he” in the same verse. Some versions such as the NKJV and NASB show this distinction. In any regard there are multiple issues to any of the solutions. The thing to consider is that the original Hebrew does not contain the “he”. These are supplied in the English translations. It is interesting that the Septuagint Interlinear rendering does not show an attachment with a personality.  Here is its translation:

And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.  
–Daniel 9:27  LXX Interlinear Translation,  Samuel Bagster and Sons, London, 1792

Therefore, with this translation, one is to look for the confirmation of Israel’s covenant for seven years and then the sacrifices are halted in what has to be a rebuilt temple in the middle of the seven years. Then it all comes to an end at the end of the seven years. There is then no attempt to identify any personality that may not be warranted in the first place. If we then let it mean only what it says, it then stands that other related biblical passages will shed light and provide the necessary understanding of this verse. The big issue is that the view the Antichrist enforces some covenant with Israel for seven years may simply have evaporated with this understanding.  Without that as an eschatological foundation, there are obvious ramifications, but it seems to solve many complications and problems.

It has always seemed strange that the 70th Week supposedly begins with the Antichrist confirming some covenant with Israel that has already been in place.  Why would he set up a covenant for seven years? But more importantly, why would Israel make a deal with the Antichrist at the relative same time as their awakening moment when God delivers them from the invading armies found in Ezekiel? Of course, that is if Ezekiel’s War commences the seven years. But it would seem to be so. It would also seem problematic to have the Antichrist confirming or strengthening God’s covenant with His people and how would that even be possible?

What it then comes down to is laying out the order of end time events in the Scriptural and logical sequence to ensure that it all fits together. At first there will be a summary of what the flow of events may be with this understanding, which then will be followed by the Scriptural references that seem to back it. Of course, new views must be handled with caution, but here we go.


The first event would be the Rapture/removal of the Church to end this parenthetical age. The second item that quickly happens is that the Islamic Confederacy found in Ezekiel and
 Psalm 83 sees the disappearance of the friends of Israel (Church) as an opportunity to destroy Israel. This then backfires as God delivers Israel and thereby wakes them up to realize why they had been scattered among the nations during the fullness of the Gentiles. This moment of deliverance is the confirmation or strengthening of God’s Covenant with Israel (the many) with seven more years until Messiah returns to establish the Kingdom. Israel then cleanses her land from the dead armies and then rebuilds the Temple, since the great earthquake of the invasion leveled all buildings. The world at this time will be in chaos after the Rapture and the removal of what was left of the former world powers (Russia, USA). Out of these ashes will arise the Ten Toes of Daniel, which are ten kingdoms from the former region of the Roman Empire. As depicted consistently by Daniel’s statue, five kings should be from the east and five kings from the west as fitting to the manner in which the empire was divided. It is not until after the establishment of the ten kings that the Antichrist can then come to power. The Antichrist then comes to full power in the middle of the seven years with his taking of Israel and his indwelling by Satan himself. In three and a half years, the Antichrist comes to his end with Jesus the Messiah’s return with his armies. Jesus then fulfills the 70 weeks prophecy and his kingdom then continues for 1,000 years.

Blessings,
YbiC
Brad