Bruce, all, what she is saying is the doctrine of "holyness" teaching that only believers who are sinless, spirit led at the time of the rapture will go up. This is false. The Apostle Paul says that "We All" will go up to glory who have (Romans 10) believed in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. All of us live a life struggling with the flesh. The Holy Spirit wars with our flesh. Our sanctification takes a lifetime, and will never be complete here. Our salvation journey has three parts. "Justification" before God with ALL of our sins dealt with on the cross at the time of our salvation. We are "in the palm of Jesus hand" no one & no failure of ours can remove us from Jesus hand! "Santification" involving our struggles becoming more like Jesus as a believer in our lifetime. "Glorification" when we get an eternally sinless body on arriving in heaven. No one can lose His/ her salvation.