Revelation 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
   Where are these voices, thunderings, and lightnings?
In heaven, like in:
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
   Or are they down on the earth, like the "earthquake", mentioned right after them, in Revelation 8:5?