> TH (22 Jan 2017)
> "BELIEVING  WITHOUT  SEEING"

> Here we go again.  Lately, there has been a noticeable increase in the > nay

sayers claiming there is No Pre-Trib Rapture. Why is this ?

I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

I was totally Pre-Trib for most of my life, until I found Scripture that showed me that the First-Trump Rapture actually is Mid-Trib.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written as if the Rapture will take place in ten days.

Rev 2:10  says, “YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS.”

If any of the Church will have Tribulation, the Rapture can't be Pre-Trib.

Rev 1:1 says, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY come to pass”.

In the first chapter, Rev 1:3  says, “the time is AT HAND.”

In the last chapter, Rev 22:10 says, “the time is AT HAND.”

IN THE PREVIEW, JOHN PLAYED OUT THE RAPTURE, AND SAID THAT HE WAS “IN TRIBULATION.”

Rev 1:9-11 says, “I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10  I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on THE LORD’S DAY (i.e., Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last”.

If the First-Trump Rapture is "IN TRIBULATION", it is not Pre-Trib.

At Mid-Trib, the "church in Thyatira" is facing the Great Tribulation.

Rev 2:22 says, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."

On Resurrection Sunday, Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven.

As a type of the Church, Enoch was born and raptured on Sivan 6, which is now Pentecost. The Church was born on Earth on Pentecost Sunday. I think the chances are good that it will be born in Heaven on Pentecost Sunday.

Jesus sat down with his Father in his throne on Firstfruits Sunday.

Rev 3:21,22 says, "TO HIM THAT OVERCOMETH WILL I GRANT TO SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE, EVEN AS I ALSO OVERCAME, AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE. 22 HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH UNTO THE CHURCHES."

Rev 4:1-5 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2  And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (i.e., Jesus) sat on the throne. 3  And he that sat (i.e., Jesus, the first and the last, Rev 1:11) was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone (i.e., the first and last stones in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's ring system, Eze 1:1,26-28) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (i.e., Judah's stone in the breastplate). 4  And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (i.e., 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5  And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne (i.e., Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn), which are the seven Spirits (pneuma, currents of air, i.e., orbits of planets) of God."

Eze 1:15  says, "behold one wheel (i.e., orbit) upon the earth".

Rev 4:6 says, "And before the throne (i.e., Christ's throne on Saturn) there was a sea of glass like unto crystal (krustallos, ice, i.e., Saturn's ring system).

Eze 1:1 says, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani [Saturn] and priya [dear; it is the September birthstone of Jesus, and means heaven]): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., Jesus, the only God/man) above upon it. 27  And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (i.e., Saturn's ring system) round about. 28  As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Acts 20:7 says, "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."

“Clearly the disciples are meeting on Sunday, the first day of the week. It might even be presumed by some that by "breaking bread" they celebrated the Lord's supper that Sunday. The question that needs to be asked though, is why were the disciples assembled on this day? What reason brought them together? In context, it will be seen that Paul was departing the next day on his journey to Jerusalem to be present during the Pentecost festival (v. 16). This gathering was a farewell assembly with Paul, the last day the people at Troas could meet with him, and that is why it lasted into the early morning hours. In fact Paul talked with them all through the night and then left in the morning at sunrise (v. 11).”




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Rev 12:4  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now, this day) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, salvation, i.e., the Mid-Trib Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12  THEREFORE REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13  And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14  And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), from the face of the serpent."

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Isa 66:7  Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Isa 66:8  Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed (i.e., Mid-Trib), she brought forth her children."