The guy with the web site that declares boldly that there is no pre trib rapture http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=949497&cmd=show has a new video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-087n8MeE that after viewing I wanted to understand better just what it is that makes this situation what it is. How is it that Christian people can read the same Bible and the same verses of scripture on a specific subject and yet come to opposite conclusions regarding the most important issue facing us today, which is when will the rapture take place in relation to the tribulation period? The post trib side, as represented by the above referred to web site, is preoccupied with attacks on the pre trib side and claiming that there is no escape before hand but that we must be willing to die for our faith or endure unto the end to be saved. They say that these Christians have believed a lie and will be unprepared for what is to come and will be shocked to discover that they were never raptured etc etc.. While the pre trib side is not concerned with preparing for what they are confident they will not have to endure but will be translated before the sudden destruction comes or at least simultaneously.

I asked God to help me understand this situation and why it is that no amount of each side showing the other seems to get through but each is convinced that their own understanding of the scriptures is the correct one and that the other side is wrong, and immediately I was given the idea that this is Peter and John happening in our day and that this debate will continue until the rapture and the "Peter" side sees the "John" side translated.

I remember hearing that idea some time back and thinking that it was probably with some merit that Peter represents those Christians who will be left after the rapture and will die for their faith while John represents those who will be translated and shall not taste of death. But at that time I didn't really dwell on the idea or follow it to any deeper consideration. So when I heard this in my spirit I at first received it only as a possibility but I wanted more understanding of how this could really apply. I knew that Peter did ultimately die for his faith but I also knew that John was also persecuted and was subjected to numerous attempts to be put to death but he would not die and so was banished to the Isle of Patmos where he would have the revelation vision and write the book that bears that name. I told God that John was attempted to be killed also and asked how he then could represent raptured saints and he answered that even though they tried to kill John they could not and he reminded me of those who had rapture vision/dreams wherein they saw translated believers who were also attempted to be killed sometimes with guns but the bullets would go right through them and they were unharmed. Ahah that's right! I then also considered Peter's boast that he would be willing to die for Jesus rather than deny him and then being given the opportunity to do so but was found to be unable at that time and later after Jesus' resurrection when Jesus informed Peter how he would one day give his life Peter immediately asks, what about John? And Jesus gives that answer that if I will that John lives until I come again what is that to you?! Right there we have todays' scenario happening.

I believe that John represents those of us who know that we are in Christ sanctified and set apart for the Lord and are holding on to our blessed hope and just waiting for Him to come and take us to himself so that where he is, there we shall be also; while Peter represents those who do not look for this blessed hope yet but are instead focused on being willing to die for Jesus and I believe that they will be given the chance to prove it. But rather than just be content in their own belief and leave it at that, the "Peter" side wants to get involved with the "John" side as if to say that John also should have to die for his faith and Jesus basically says to leave John alone and that if he wills that John lives until Jesus comes and raptures him what is that to you...since you want to die for your faith but John wants to be translated you will each get what you want.

Matthew 26:

 33.  Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended.
 34.  Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
 35.  Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.

John 21:

18.  Verily, verily, I say unto thee, [Peter] When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
 19.  This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
 20.  Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple [John] whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
 21.  Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
 22.  Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.