Michael Colunga (31 Jan 2012)
"RE: Neil--"The Tribulation Period did NOT begin in October of 2008""

Hello, John and Doves,
Let's take a look at Daniel 9:27
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
Nowhere do I see the mention of a third temple.
What I do see is that when Jesus Christ returns, there will emphatically be NO TEMPLE.
It is written,
"Thus saith the LORD, The heaven [is] my throne, and the earth [is] my footstool: where [is] the house that ye build unto me? and where [is] the place of my rest?"  Isaiah 66:1
Now, unless the LORD has gone blind, there is no temple.  Isaiah 66 maps onto Revelation.
Great, now what in the world does HaShem mean when His servant, Daniel, writes,
"...[F]or the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate...."?
Just maybe, "overspreading of abominations" = "widespread embracing of sin."
Can we think of a country whose sins stink to high heaven, one whose enemies have dubbed it therefore, "The Great Satan?"  "Ye shall know them by their fruits."  Matthew 7:16
Two things.  "Out of many, one" refers to the AC having come out of the first triune democracy
with a true bicameral legislature in the world.  Secondly, it is written,
"Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin [is] a reproach to any people."  Proverbs 14:34
Thus, it is abundantly clear that since the AC rules an evil nation, and is himself the epitome of evil,
God must judge the USA.  His Word demands it.
Here's how it's gonna work.  The Illuminati, illumined by Lucifer's intellect, have made a legally binding claim that the USA has replaced Israel.  Well, let's see, if Israel is to replace the USA, then, logically, the USA must be destroyed--but on what grounds?  The Devil has that worked out, too.
The sins of the USA are such that she has rejected HaShem out of hand.
What happened to Israel when they rejected God?  Deuteronomy 31 harkens back to Leviticus 26.
15    "And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, [but] that ye break my covenant:
16    "I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17    "And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18    "And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19    "And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
20    "And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
21    "And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins."  Leviticus 26:15-21
Now, the phrase, "shall consume the eyes" in verse 16 refers to the neutron bomb.  It saves bones and buildings, but it melts flesh.  That is why bones are being tagged for burial in Ezekiel 39:15.  There has been a nuclear war.  That's the way it looks now.  God help us, cause if He don't, the Devil will--over a cliff.
You get the idea.
In other words, for the overspreading of sin, he [the AC] shall cause desolation [the result of massive atomic attack] to befall the nation he commands, namely the USA.
Does that sufficiently answer your objections, brother Neil?
Maybe this can help.
Of the AC, it is written,
"For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
"Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
2 Corinthians 11:13-14
After Moses wrote the warning of HaShem, we hear of Our Father's tender heart.

1    "Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.

2    "Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.

3    "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

4    "Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

5    "And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see [it] together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it]."

Isaiah 40:1-5


It is written,

"Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed."  Isaiah 66:5


Now, if the joy of Jerusalem does not bring joy to your heart, I don't know what will.
Baruch HaShem Yeshua Ha Mashiach,
Mike C.
Neil Lipken (30 Jan 2012)
"The Tribulation Period did NOT begin in October of 2008"

There has been considerable discussion at Five Doves about the Tribulation Period (7 years by Daniel 9:27) beginning back in October of 2008.  If that was so, then the Third Temple in Jerusalem by now should be present and complete in time for Mid-Tribulation in the spring of 2012.  For the antichrist, rising from a mortal wound, goes into the Temple in the middle of the 7 year Tribulation Period and claims to be God (II Thess. 2:4).  But there is just one problem!  THERE IS NO THIRD TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM RIGHT NOW!  Why?  Because the Tribulation Period has not yet begun, and will not begin until AFTER the Rapture.  Then the antichrist will come on the world stage and make the Daniel 9:27 covenant, beginning the 7 year Tribulation Period.  During the first half of the Tribulation the Third Temple will be built, which is yet in our future.  

Also, God's two witnesses (Rev. 11) will minister during the first half of the Tribulation Period in Jerusalem.  THEY ARE NOT PRESENT YET!  Why?  The Tribulation Period has not yet begun!

January 27th through 29th has passed without incident (sudden destruction / Rapture), and for those who still cling to the teaching that the spring of 2012 is Mid-Tribulation, in just a few months you will be proven wrong!

There is however, a strong possibility that the Rapture may happen sometime this year, as 2012 + 7 = 2019.  The Great Tribulation (last 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation) is shortened by one third (see Matt. 24:21 & 22 and Rev. 8:12), so by our present time standard 2019 would actually be 2018 since one third of 3 1/2 years is one year and two months.  2018 is precisely 70 years after 1948, the year Israel returned as a nation.  And remember, from the time Jesus was born until 70 AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, took down the Second Temple stone by stone, and scattered the Jewish people to the nations, we also had a 70 year time period.