Gino,
Thanks for your kind understanding words that you addressed to me relative to the posts and information that I shared with you. I am glad that you were able to follow the story line I proposed in those posts and viewed it as one that flowed logically without holes or pieces seemingly missing.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2019/gino210-1.htm
You asked me if this “new” end times story line was revealed to me from the church I attend or if my thoughts were unique to my personal study of the bible.
Before I answer that let me give you a brief bio of myself that seems to parallel yours. As I have stated several times before on 5Doves, I was brought up Catholic from many generations of Catholics. I attended a Catholic school for 9 years and was completely instilled, steeped and indoctrinated with that religion and all of it's “trappings”. I always trusted that if there was anything wrong with that religion my ancestors from many generations past and present would have came to that realization and would have extracted themselves and their families from this religion.
In those days, the 1950's, I were taught that the RCC was the only true religion and we were to shun all others.....don't even go into another religions church building.
The rules and regulations of the RCC which were mostly contrived and enacted by man were designed to keep us in bondage to that institution. The vast variety of what was declared by man... not God, to be mortal sins and venial sins...... and the failure to regularly confess these sins to a priest for fear of dying in the interim and going to hell....... left one in a perpetual circle of fear and bondage......which is exacting where this evil cult church wanted their followers.......in bondage as slaves to Rome.......where the infallible grand puba resided and was worshiped as...... the Vicar of Christ on earth.
It wasn't until I was in my 40's in the 1990's that I found myself no longer a slave to this false religion. By then my non catholic wife and others had dropped enough breads crumbs of biblical truth for me to find my way clear of this bondage. Then after extensive research , I was very very upset to think that I had been deceived on that grand a scale for all those years and that I may have lost my eternal salvation as a result of being immersed / entrapped in that cult.
“Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues” Revelation 18:4 And yes I am certain that the “her” in this verse is the RCC
After escaping the RCC in the 90's...... I have from that time onward been on a biblical mission to not only alert people concerning false religions and false teachers but to get a complete grasp on what the bible conveys as to prophecy. ( a prophecy addict as are most 5Doves participants)
Having retired over ten years ago I have had the luxury to spend almost as much time as needed to explore the bible for whatever God would share with me.
After I left the RCC I tried several main line denominations and then some evangelical churches in our location of upstate New York near the Canadian border. Equipped at this point with a strong understanding of what deception and non-biblical teachings looked like......I failed to find a church that had any real “biblical standards”. They all just “play church” and run as businesses. And more times than not with an un-biblical false teacher as their leader.
So....fast forward to the present to answer your question as to how I received all this “new found” end time knowledge? It wasn't from any church, I haven't attended one in many years. Many on 5Doves have lamented for quite some time as to the deplorable condition of the Christian church in America with some places worse than others.
If you are not being fed the Word in church or are being fed non-biblical / man made mumbo jumbo why would you want to attend and support deception??
Show me a church (at least in this area) where bible prophecy, the Book of Revelations and end times teachings are regularly or semi regularly explored and I will show you a fine set of “hens teeth”.
I have also found that many of these so called respected “bible scholars” that we find on TV and the internet...... or wherever...... are just as guilty of spreading confusion as are the false pastors. So I decided to bypass all this earthly falsehood and confusion and take my questions directly to the source of all knowledge by quietly asking of the Lord questions and praying for answers. I had to in many cases divorce myself of many biblical aspects / standards which are considered to be “poured in concrete”correct in today's world.......but are not correct.....due to what I believe are Satanic implants of his personnel into the whole church equation or the religious community in general.
It's like one has to start mentally with a clean slate so to speak and not confuse the mind with all the pre-conceived conclusions orchestrated by whomever.
So after many years now of pondering on the Word...... does He give me direct downloads? Sometimes!!....... but more often than not He prompts me to do word searches and other searching to dig out the truths myself. And again, I am blessed with being retired and having the time necessary to keep digging in scripture for the facts.....not half truths.
I expressed in one of my recent posts that it was only within the last several months that this whole end time scenario was revealed to me. Why?? I don't know. I just keep thinking about the words in Daniel 12.....”shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end”......
It has become apparent to me that for whatever reason God wanted the end times scenario semi cloaked until it was almost upon us. And that appears to be the reason that He has “all of a sudden” given me a huge download of information that seemingly ties all the end time puzzle pieces together seamlessly.......but...... does so in a way that does not conform with what is or has been taught on this subject line.
This would seemingly make me a “kook” and an outsider with a fringe belief system. Be that the case......why then as you stated Gino does what I have recently stated and projected agree with vast areas of scripture and also seemingly ring as being accurate and true especially from the prospect of Ecclesiastes 1??
“that which has been is what will be, that which is done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun”......
And again Gino, I appreciate that you recognize that the end times story line that I have been recently promoting seems to be free of loose ends or scriptural contradictions and logically flows into a logical conclusion. And, as I have expressed last week, I feel very blessed that God has shown me these things which I have felt compelled to share with others. Apparently the timing to reveal this information is now ......Daniel 12.
Also Gino, you brought up my stance on being “born again”....... let me clarify again my position on being “born again” and what Jesus said about it, so there will be no confusion with you or other readers.
When one accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior, accepts the fact that He suffered greatly and died on the cross for our sins, paid our sin debt fully once and for all, resurrected from the grave and ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father.
When one accepts these beliefs they are “mentally” born again and are accepted by Jesus and the Father as members of the body of Christ and are insured eternal salvation.
But....it appears from scripture that this “born again”process also has a “physical” aspect or ceremony that has to be fulfilled before Jesus's followers can see or enter the kingdom of God. Jesus twice said in John 3......”most assuredly” this has to happen.
Jesus said in John 3:3 and 3:5 that unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he (they) cannot see or enter the kingdom of God.
A “mock rehearsal” of this “born again” ceremony has been and is performed in churches and other places all over the world at baptism's but it's not the “born again” ceremony that Jesus is talking about in John 3. Jesus is talking about His real actual water and His real actual Spirit that are necessary to truly be “born again' enabling one to see and enter the kingdom of God.
What do I mean?
I mean as per Zechariah 14 there will come a time near the mid point of the 7 year period when the followers of Jesus will have the opportunity to be immersed in the real water, the real blood which contains the real Spirit of Jesus. Without this immersion in these “real components” they cannot see or enter the kingdom of God.
As per Zechariah..... after God the Father steps on the Mount of Olives and creates a very large new valley extending hundreds of miles which will be used as a security zone for Himself and His elect.......He also creates a new river emanating from Jerusalem which contains “living waters”.
Why are these waters referred to as livings waters?
Because they will contain the water, the blood and the Spirit that Jesus deposited there on the ground in Jerusalem nearly 2000 years ago. The gospels of the apostles say that not only did He shed His blood there on the ground but also His Spirit. (John 19:30 one example)
Matthew 24:31 says that God will send His angels at the sound of a great trumpet to gather “the elect” from heaven and from earth at this time.....what time? Immediately after the tribulation of those days. What tribulation? The tribulation of the nation of Israel being attacked and nearly annihilated near the mid-point of the 7 year period.
Who are the elect that are gathered?
First....The dead and the alive in Christ.
Second.....The Jewish remnant whose names appear in the book (Daniel 12) some from Israel proper who have escaped the attack by all nations on the Israeli state just hours prior and the alive Jews that will be gathered from around the world by the angels whose names appear in the book.
Third....The whole house of Jacob / Israel. As per numerous references in scripture especially Ezekiel 37, there will be hundreds of millions of resurrected Jews who represent all of the descendants of Jacob that have ever lived. They will be resurrected with restored bodies but the breath of life will be withheld from them until God's timing for their mission is reached. Then the breath of live from the four winds and the Spirit of the Father Himself will restore their consciousness. They will be staged for their mission and guarded by four angels at the river Euphrates which appears to be at the eastern end of the new valley / security zone.
Where are these elect gathered and why? Zechariah 14
These elect are gathered to the huge new valley that God the Father just created when He stepped on the Mount of Olives. The valley extends from half of the city of Jerusalem hundreds of miles to the east and is set up / created to be a security zone for God's elect and for God the Father Himself who will reside there for the remainder of the 7 year period or approximately 3.5 years. It appears from Daniel 12 that Michael the ark angel and his forces will establish the security for this new valley. A new valley just created by an all holy God that has not been “tainted” by Satan or sin. And will be kept that way as a result of the “living waters” which flow into it that contain the blood and Spirit of Jesus.
Ok....you have three elements of people that now reside in this valley which I just described above. Hundreds of millions of resurrected Jews parked unconscious on the extreme eastern end of this valley, the alive Jewish remnant who will now be re-establishing their original covenant with God the Father and the entire Christian church..... the dead and the alive. The dead in Christ will be brought back to earth by the Father when he comes to intervene for Israel which is stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:14 and Zechariah 14:5.
So to finish up this whole “born again” process.........
The whole Christian church from earth and heaven has been gathered to the security of this valley for their protection. Protection from the antichrist and his forces here on earth and protection from Satanic forces in heaven where war is also going on between God's forces and Satan's.
And the whole Christian church is also gathered to this protection zone to be “born again”. Born again in the waters of this new river emanating from Jerusalem. A river which contains the blood and the Spirit of God... Jesus Christ...our sacrificial Lamb who Himself shed those most precious of components there on the ground nearly 2000 years ago.
The way I read John 3 Jesus is saying....unless you bath / be immersed in these “living waters”you cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. It's obvious to me that bathing in these most holy of components is necessary to be changed from mortal to immortal. We will be “infused” by the blood and the Spirit of Jesus who is immoral to then become immortal ourselves which is the only way we can enter the kingdom of God......as per Jesus. You wonder why or how we become “The Body of Christ”......we are immersed in His essence.
So after Jesus's church who has been gathered there is immersed in these living waters or “wells of salvation” (as Isaiah states it in Isaiah 12) they will be Rapture Ready. They will then be ready to be changed from mortal to immortal in the twinkling of an eye. Ready to meet Jesus in the clouds above Jerusalem when He shouts and beckons them to arise at the sound of a great trumpet then to be taken to a place of safety for the remainder of the 7 year period or approximately 3.5 years.
When this newly resurrected church does reach that place of safety in heaven it gets major biblical press coverage as is depicted in Revelation 7.......
“A great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues standing before the throne and the Lamb with white robes and palm branches in their hands”. Verse 9
Who are these arrayed in white robes and where did they come from....it is asked?
These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Verse 14
Notice two things....the Lamb is alone at the throne. God the Father is missing, missing because He has set up His kingdom on earth for the remainder of the 7 years.....just like scripture and the “Lords Prayer” expresses it in the wording.
And notice that this great multitude that has just arrived is wearing white robes which have just been washed in the blood of the Lamb......washed where? You know the answer to that!!!
And a side note....
The two end time witnesses will be there to attest to, witness this “born again” event just prior to their deaths there..... in the unprotected side of Jerusalem. Deaths that will be allowed to happen by God for God's purposes.
So Gino, I wanted to explain to you the complete “born again” process as I see it from scripture....... from start to finish.
As I stated before, God has only recently shared all of these exciting details with me. My hope is that these exciting “scriptural based” revelations resonate throughout the whole Christian community and create excitement. Excitement for a period of time which I believe as per scripture is only a few short years from now. Ester and Psalms 119 appear to indicate this........ as I referenced in my other time line post.
As I said before look for the “dismissing” of three shepherds (three popes), the arrival of the foolish shepherd (the antichrist) and the arrival of the two witnesses.... all within the span of 1 months time. When those things happen it will signal the start of the 7 year period.
In my recent 7 year time line post it appeared to me from Psalms 119 that these things would start around 1 March 2019 based on an 8 week offset gleaned from the wording in Psalms 119.....but I used the Gregorian calendar and I started the count on 1 January. If I should have used the Hebrew calendar then Nissan 1 begins 6 April and the 8 week offset would start then. To complicate things it's a Jewish leap year which puts another 30 days factor into the equation.
Bottom line, taking into account all calendars, the dismissing of three shepherds, and arrival of two witnesses and the antichrist should transpire somewhere from 1 March to 15 June 2019.
Blessings Gino and Doves........John B