John,

I do really appreciate all the effort that you have taken to answer questions that I have asked!

Some of the ways that you have expressed, that you see prophecy to be fulfilled, are different than others I've heard or read.

Does your church see prophecy unfolding like that, or are your thoughts unique to your own personal study?

Clearly you have thought about this for a while, and have thought it through.

I say that, because there is logical flow, not random or disconnected pieces, but a whole picture.

You've assured that the various pieces fit together and follow each other - well thought out.

One of the differences I believe that I noticed, was in regard to being born again.

It seems that you may see that as a yet still to be fulfilled prophetic event:

So these new “living waters” contain what is needed.......to be born again.

Ok...we have the whole Christian Church gathered in this new valley, those who are alive and those who have their resurrected bodies. This great multitude of people of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues will be immersed in the livings waters of this new river. Immersed in the blood and the Spirit of Jesus to become.....born again.

This born again process qualifies us.... as per Jesus....to enter the kingdom of God.

How jealous will those remnant Jews be when they witness the Christian church there in this valley being “born again” and transformed from mortal to immortal and then whisked away to paradise.......knowing that it could have been them but for their rejection.

Yes, this waters from this new river which contain the blood and Spirit of Jesus will be poured on us abundantly.

And through this process of washing and renewing in the blood and the Spirit won't we then become “born again” as Jesus mandated in John 3? And through His grace and this re-birth will we become heirs and achieve the goal of eternal life? 

I grew up catholic, and in the 70's, before I was saved, that term "born again" was detested and ridiculed by other catholics I knew.

It certainly wasn't something that I saw as remotely desirable for me.

Then the gospel came, and the fight was on, me & my catholic traditions versus the word of God.

It was clear that I needed to change families.

I was not in the LORD's family, but I was, sadly, still in the devil's family.

God was not yet my Father, even though I prayed the "Our Father" prayer repetitiously:

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

The devil was still my father:

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

But then I wanted what Jesus said to Nicodemus:

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

I needed to believe on Jesus, I needed to receive him:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

  13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So, by grace through faith, I did, and like those in line 13, that "were born" of God, I too was then born of God.

I was born again  -  born again through the gospel, by the word of God:

I Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

I Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

At that moment, the LORD adopted me:

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

It happened to me then, when I was saved:

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

  6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

  7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

I was no longer waiting to be born again, to become a child of God, one of his adopted sons:

I John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.