Eaglet (11
Feb 2018)
"Randy: here is
another idea"
I just want to give you a very important key point in the book
of revelation that will somehow give you another idea of the
timeline for the book of Revelation. I have been a prophecy
student for only nine years now and I hope this will not be a
cause to ignore my different view on the timeline. I am just
hoping that you would help me debunk my view and convince me
that I am wrong, My intention is really to find the truth and
have this truth shared to others especially during this
deceptive end times.
First of, here is my understanding of the Tribulation period:
Jer. 30:3-7 does not say that the time of Jacob’s trouble is 7
years.
The first 3.5 years was already fulfilled by Jesus Christ as
described in Daniel 9:27. Through the death of Jesus, the
sacrifice and offering was abolished. On the east wing of the
temple, the abomination and desolation referred to here is the
crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Daniel 11:31,32 is where the
Antichrist will appear at the Temple to desecrate it by his
armies, and to set up the abomination and desolation, and this
is the one that Jesus warned us of on Matthew 24:15. Jesus
confirms His Holy Covenant for 1 seven, the remaining half will
be in the future. In the case of the Antichrist, he will forsake
and vent his fury on the Holy Covenant for 3.5 years, Daniel
11:30, his version of Daniel 9:27. Remember that Satan will
counterfeit all that is prophesied in the end times to make the
antichrist appear as the messiah. The 7 years of tribulation
view is being promoted by Satan maybe because there will be a
3.5 years fake tribulation and a dummy antichrist.
In order that I will not somehow offend or create an uproar on
this, in case, here is a biblical principle to guide us:
Matthew 16:15-17
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon
Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah!
For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father
who is in heaven.
Six verses after…
Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a
stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of
God, but merely human concerns.”
The same mouth that glorified Jesus Christ is the same mouth
that insulted Jesus Christ. Most of the time we put ourselves in
Peter’s shoes.
So you see, not all truths or revelation are given all to just
one prophecy student. We are all vessels and channels of God’s
truth and revelation depending on the nature of our heart’s
desires. Let us help one another to put the puzzle pieces
together as one Body of Christ.
If we are searching for truth to proved that we are right, there
is a certain kind of spirit that guides our understanding of
scriptures. But if we are searching for the truth to gain
knowledge, wisdom, and freedom, for us and for others too, then
that is another kind of spirit.
Now here is my take on the Half Hour Silence in Heaven which
will make an entirely different view on the timeline of
Revelation:
1. 1 John 2:18, Dear children, this is the LAST HOUR; and as you
have heard that the antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW many
antichrists have come. THIS IS HOW we know it is the LAST HOUR.
2. Revelation 8:1,When he opened the seventh seal, there was
silence in heaven for about HALF AN HOUR.
We know that the writer of 1John and Revelation is John the
Apostle. It is obvious that John holds the same understanding of
what hour was to him both for the above scriptures that he
revealed. So is it safe to assume that the LAST HOUR that he is
telling us is 2,000 years in duration assuming that the
antichrist will appear in our time? Does HALF AN Hour could mean
then as 1,000 years? If so, then it could probably mean that the
HALF AN HOUR silence in Heaven is the Millennium. What do you
think?
So with this key point, definitely the timeline will be entirely
different from the popular and prevailing ones. Please bear with
me as I present to you my timeline:
Seals 1 to 4 begun at Ascension/Pentecost and continuous on up
to the end of Seal 6, which is the great tribulation (As Jesus
described that wars, death from wild animals, economic woes,
famines, pestilence, earthquakes will continue on before the
end). the Bowl Judgement and Armageddon happening at the end of
the Great Tribulation. Rev. 6:1-8,13-17 (check the similarity of
the words “the island fled away and the mountains cannot be
found”)
Seal 5 begun from death of Stephen up to the last Saint to be
martyred in the Great Tribulation. Rev. 6:9-12
Seal 7 as i explained above, begins at the start of the
millennium Rev. 8. The Half Hour silence in Heaven is the
millennium, a thousand year of peace on the Earthly Realm and
Half Hour Peace in the Heavenly Realm. At the end of the
millennium, Satan will be released from the Abyss (Rev. 20:7) to
deceive the nations again.
Trumpets 1 to 4 happens at the end of the millennium, it is the
destruction of a third of trees, grass, sea, waters, and a third
of the celestial objects are struck.
Trumpet 5 is when Satan was released from the Abyss and
Locust-Like Creatures torturing those who does not have the seal
of God on their foreheads (entirely different from those with
the mark of the beast on their foreheads which were described in
the bowl judgement happening at the end of the great
tribulation, while those who are sealed by God were present at
the Great Tribulation and lived on through the Millennium).
Trumpet 6 is Gog and Magog to kill a third of mankind, led by
Satan. Ezekiel 38.
The Angel and the Little Scroll Rev. 10, which is entirely
different from the Scroll and the Lamb of Rev. 5, is about
PROPHESYING AGAIN by the Two Witness at the end of the
millennium. Probably Moses and Elijah could be them, their
Spirit indwelt on the two prophet that will be anointed on that
time. ( Like John the Baptist having the Spirit of Elijah)
SOULS under the ALTAR, because they are still on earth/grave
Rev. 6:9 (Heaven is my throne and the Earth is my footstool
Isiah 66:1), is different from the SAINTS on the GOLDEN ALTAR
before the Throne, because they lived on throughout the
Millennium Rev. 8:3,4
The Saints will be the Royal Priesthood during the Millennium
Rev. 20:6, Jesus Christ as their King. They were not judged yet
but they were given authority to be Judges Rev. 20:4 (like those
in the Book of Judges). The Saints will only then become kings
over the nations after they received their crowns at the Great
White Throne Judgement Rev. 21:24.
The Two Witness, I believe are the ones who will cause all the
plagues of the Trumpets Judgement at the end of the Millennium.
(Like during the time of Moses, and again this time the Remnant
Israel will go through it again) Rev 11:4-6
Trumpet 7 is the Great White Throne Judgement, Rev.11:15-19,
Rev. 20:11-14 , the second resurrection, where the dead will be
judged(sheep and goat, based on Works written in the books that
were opened and on the names that were written in the Book of
Life), and the saints and prophets judged for their rewards
(crowns will be given to them). Judgement Seat of Christ (termed
by Paul) and The Great White Throne (termed by John) is the
same. Throne and Seat is the same in meaning. (John and Paul,
during their time, were not given the opportunity to collaborate
on this, given their situations)
What makes Seven Bowls different from the Seven Trumpet that
made it appear happening in two different timelines? Here are my
keypoints.
Bowls happens at the Great Tribulation
/ Trumpets happens at the end of the
Millennium
Bowls : Mark of the Beast
Trumpets: Those who does not have the Seal of God (No mention of
mark of the beast)
Bowls : Beast and False Prophet
that come out from the Sea/Earth
Dragon hurled DOWN from Heaven
Rev. 12 & 13
Trumpets: Angel(Satan/Beast) of the Abyss (Bottomless Pit) /
Beast (Satan/8th King) that come UP
from the Abyss (Rev. 20) Apollyon, Abaddon
Bowls : No mention of Abyss
Trumpets: Abyss mentioned Thrice.
Bowls : Gog and Magog in Armageddon Ez. 39
Seven Years of Burning Weapons and
Seven Months of Burying carried over
through the Millennium,
God’s Holy Name made known to Israel
Corpse given to the Birds
Trumpets: Gog and Magog Ez.38, 200 million man army on locust
horses, Unwalled City,
People living in Safety, Recovered from War,
God’s Holy Name made known to the Nations
No Mention of Corpse given to Birds
Bowls : Before Armageddon, Dead in Christ/Saints came to life
Rev. 16:15,
the rest of the dead did not come to life Rev. 20:5
so they were not judged yet.
This is the First Resurrection
Trumpets: White Throne Judgement, Rev. 20:11
Time to judge the Dead and Reward the Saints and the Prophets,
Rev. 11:18
This is the Second Resurrection, Time is no longer, the Ark of
the Covenant appeared, Mercy Seat of Christ, Mystery of God in
Christ is completed Col.2, 1 Cor. 15:24-28
Bowls : Tremendous earthquake, cursed God Rev.16:17-20
Trumpets: Severe Earthquake, gave Glory to God Rev. 11:13
I placed the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ and the Rapture
of the Alive in Christ in between the Sixth Bowl and the Seventh
Bowl. Here are the Key Verses:
Rev. 21:9 is about The New Jerusalem, the Bride, the Wife
(Married already) of the Lamb (this is after the end of the
Millennium, and start of the New Heaven and New Earth)
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the
seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you
the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
(I hope we don’t have another bride in mind, like what
pretribbers did to Matthew 24:29,30, making it the second
rapture/resurrection, which they say is still an integral part
of the first resurrection of Rev. 20. Jesus will get His Bride
one time only, not several times)
Question:
Why does it have to be ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO HAD THE SEVEN
BOWLS, be the one appointed by Jesus to show to John the Bride?
Why not one of the seven angels who had the trumpets, or
Michael, or Gabriel, or any other Angels?
Answer:
Checkout Rev. 16:12-15
12 THE SIXTH ANGEL POUR OUT HIS BOWL on the great river
Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the
kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that
looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out
of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false
prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and
they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for
the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold (look) I (Jesus) come as a THIEF (to snatch and steal
away)! BLESSED is the ONE (Bride) who stays awake (watching) and
remains clothed (OIL/HOLY SPIRIT), so as not to go naked and be
shamefully exposed.” Matthew 22
To make the above more logically valid, here is another
scriptures to back it up:
Rev. 16:17-19
17 The SEVENTH ANGEL poured out his BOWL into the air, and out
of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is
done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals
of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has
ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was
the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the
cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered BABYLON THE
GREAT and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of
his wrath.
Rev. 17:1
17 ONE of the SEVEN ANGELS who had the SEVEN BOWLS came and said
to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the GREAT
PROSTITUTE, who sits by many waters.
Conclusion: These two Angels are witnesses to the most
significant thing that had happen to the Bride and the
Prostitute, simultaneously.
Please study who is the Bride. Make a comparison on the
description of the 144,000 as the Bride and as Virgins in its
natural and spiritual sense, then the description of the New
Jerusalem in its sense of 12’s, it is very Israel, the real Jews
who are of the circumcision of the heart, not of the flesh.
Study also who are the Wedding Guests (Great Multitudes) and who
are the Nations (the Sheep) that will be ruled by the
kings (Saints) in the New Heaven and New Earth.
The Book of Revelation is the story of God’s plan of salvation,
grace, and justice to humanity in the end times and through
eternity. This is where we can truly see the big picture. Match
it with Jesus Christ’s Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Then the
10 Virgins (144,000/Tribulation Saints?), the Talents of the
Servants (Wedding Guests/Dead in Christ?), The Sheep and the
Goats (Risen Dead judged, some saved, some thrown in the lake of
fire, in the White Throne Judgement/The Nations in New Heaven
and New Earth?) in Matthew 25.
I hope this one makes sense to you, though this one is one new
and radical view of eschatology, and I have not encountered of
anything like this through my searches in so many prophecy
websites I visited. I would appreciate your comment and more
importantly, your loving correction of this view.
Your Brother In Christ,
Eaglet